SE we forgive you.

[Aeliott]

All the haters need to just shut up. There is nothing to forgive, they have done nothing wrong. This is an MMO, it should be grindy and repetitive to a degree. This thread doesn't even open up with any explanation as to what its about, but based on most posts I'm assuming its whiner whining about the new Anima weapon grind. If that's the case, stop pouting and either play or quit.... personally I enjoy fating for atmas.... you're all (the ones who are bitching) babies, its just a game, they give you things in the game to give you a reason to keep playing it and you all cry. SE I don't have any forgiveness for you because you have not done anything wrong to be in need of forgiveness... and thanks for the fun additions to the game :-D

I think you're missing the fact that the relic is more of a final straw. People aren't very suddenly and aggressively making the biggest fuss the game has ever seen because of a relic stage. It's been cumulative since 3.0. We're not in patch 3.15, it's 2.75 because they didn't change any foundation. The game grew wings in a literal sense letting us fly and stuff, but in the metaphorical sense, no. It hasn't changed at all. At least, nowhere near as much as MMOs are expected to with expansions. The relic is the main scapegoat here, but it all ties back to the foundation in 3.0. They took the super safe option, and as each new patch comes out that's stuck with all these familiar trappings people have had enough. You can label people who complain babies, you can say go away as much as you want, but - people ARE going away....quite a few. My previous FC died, my friends list and LS list is a museum of (Deleted).

People are misunderstanding this as another temporary relic whinefest when it's more than that. The wait times for patches, the relatively small amount of things to do when they hit, finally a long term goal comes along again but it uses all the most disliked and exhausted things. Many people aren't seeing the game as a good investment any more, and while yes some people can exaggerate and rant about it in an annoying fashion, it's also not wise to be dismissive, something-something babies, go play something else then but stop bringing negativity to my happiness bubble. Ranting and raving is annoying, but so is deliberate ignorance and waving-off any criticism, especially on the scale we've seen in the last 24 hours (and it will continue).

A lot of people are happy with the game, sure. And while here and on reddit etc any outsider would think the sky is falling from 1 new weapon inclusion, the game probably isn't going to see some immediate and catastrophic end. I don't know, maybe happy players are in a corner of the game where they simply haven't seen the dip in activity happening, but it's very real. Like I said, my FC died. The rest lost interest after 3.1. I know several others that died from inactivity. Low population servers have gone from passably functional to ghost-towns. I'm glad many of you out there still love the game (I do...though my patience is being stretched more than I'd like), but you can't be dismissive of what people have been complaining about for upwards of 6 months forever.

[Edit]: Besides, if all the haters just "shut up", how can they improve? There's no feedback option if you cancel your sub. In my experience, the most dismissive people who think everything is fine just say so because they don't like seeing large quantities of things they don't care about / aren't interested in. It's like when people complain on news pages on social media going "THIS ISN'T NEWS WTF~?!!?" for stories that don't interest them. It is news. It might not apply to you, but it's not irrelevant. You might not want to hear people complaining about FFXIV, and a lot of people are happy with the game, but that doesn't mean those that aren't don't have a valid argument.

[Stanelis]

I've already forgiven SE once for the 1.0 screwup, it won't happen again.

[Derceto]

Speak for yourself.

[Wolfman88]

I forgive SE, or rather Yoshi-P's team, even though they've done nothing wrong. No one that puts this much time and effort into something deserves this much flak. But I guess I'm the minority here.

[ksuisa]

I forgive SE, or rather Yoshi-P's team, even though they've done nothing wrong. No one that puts this much time and effort into something deserves this much flak. But I guess I'm the minority here.

It really doesn't seem like much time and effort was put into the relic at all. I've done all this stuff before.

[Kallera]

I forgive SE, or rather Yoshi-P's team, even though they've done nothing wrong. No one that puts this much time and effort into something deserves this much flak. But I guess I'm the minority here.

Oh shut up, and that goes for the OP too.

I'll forgive when they actually show signs that they have changed their ways from things I do not enjoy.

This is korean mmo bs, but at least said korean devs had the idea to make the end result of this nonsense not be replaceable in a few months.

[Wolfman88]

It really doesn't seem like much time and effort was put into the relic at all. I've done all this stuff before.

I don't know how much time and effort was put into this or the game as a whole in general and I bet you don't either. I'm assuming they work just as hard as everyone else to do the best they can and bring home the paycheck at the end of the day. We'll see what they have to say about it at the live letter in a couple of days.

[ksuisa]

I don't know how much time and effort was put into this or the game as a whole in general and I bet you don't either. I'm assuming they work just as hard as everyone else to do the best they can and bring home the paycheck at the end of the day. We'll see what they have to say about it at the live letter in a couple of days.

I can give a good estimate on how easy it is to copy and paste a few things. The only part that would have taken any work is the particle effects, and it doesn't take this long to make a few particle effects.

[Kadrothan]

I stopped believing Yoshi-p after housing. The relic quest is just another point in a string of small disappointments that's adding up, and this is the first time I've asked myself if it's worth it to stay subbed.

[Callback]

I'll forgive them only if they fix the game. Remove specialist recipes as a start.