If the relic weapons stayed relevant like FFXI they would be worth the grind.

[Katchoo]

Years? Hardly. And even so, I never said the current grind should yield an xi level relic. I'd rather have an even (much) harder grind if the reward was better. The bottom line is that the current relics are a large, boring grind for a boring item.

You must have played FFXI pre level 99? The only person i actually knew on a first hand basis it took them nearly two years. I remember working out once how much it would cost in real world money, something like $3400 if you bought all your gil from RMT.

I'd rather have an even (much) harder grind if the reward was better. The bottom line is that the current relics are a large, boring grind for a boring item.

And i agree with you and everybody else on this matter. How late this came in the patch compared to how useful it is compared to the grind. It sucks. But the system from FFXI just does not translate to the FFXIV format and the modern MMO.

[Magis]

an archaic time and does not translate into a modern MMO.

Yes, the modern way is invalidating content and items two months later. Such good progress MMO's have made in 2015.

Spend more time grinding then using a relic -New mechanics for the modern age

[Katchoo]

Yes, the modern way is invalidating content and items two months later. Such good progress MMO's have made in 2015.

Spend more time grinding then using a relic -New mechanics for the modern age

Thing is when relic was first release it was available at release. You used to to tackle the end game content. It also required actual skill, beating Titan HM was actually an achievement. This cycle of relics being release so late is a slap in the face.

You have to understand, i'm not defending the current relic process, i'm with you it's terrible, but people are looking back on FFXI with some serious rose tinted glasses here.

[Neridine]

You must have played FFXI pre level 99? The only person i actually knew on a first hand basis it took them nearly two years. I remember working out once how much it would cost in real world money, something like $3400 if you bought all your gil from RMT

I did a relic at 75 cap. If you played the market right ingame you could make the Gil to fund it in much less than a year.

I get the whole this isn't FFXI thing too, but the quests are somewhat similar in terms of grindyness design. The fact is that it's a mega grind without the fun/interesting factor (effects) in the reward that's a bummer.

I think EQ2 is really a great example for what unique relics can be too, and those aren't nearly as grindy.

[FoxyAreku]

Signature.

Also: I would much rather do this terrible relic line once every few months than any of FFXI's absolutely horrid time wasters that took literal ages.

[Shyluv]

It doesn't have to take as long or last as long as XI, but it should definitely last longer than 2 months. 6 months would be nice, in my opinion.

When I've brought this up before, I was accused of not wanting regular content updates. I fail to see how they are exclusively one and the same. It is possible to add more content without making the old content more or less useless.

[Katchoo]

I did a relic at 75 cap. If you played the market right ingame you could make the Gil to fund it in much less than a year.

Then good for you, and i mean that not sarcastically but you were clearly in the minority because if it took "less than a year" for the majority to complete then WAY more than a handful of people on each server would have had them.

When I've brought this up before, I was accused of not wanting regular content updates. I fail to see how they are exclusively one and the same. It is possible to add more content without making the old content more or less useless.

I would agree with you but how would you make it work? If a new piece of content comes out there needs to be a reason to run it correct? Which usually means better gear rewards. If you have better gear then old gear becomes obsolete. What would your solution be?

Edit: re reading what you posted i may have miss interpreted it slightly. I feel like a solution is the content needs to stop being just a series of raids/bosses and needs to be something more involved. Content that does not get nerfed by the sheer factor of over gearing. Diadem was a nice attempt in the right direction but fell short.

Additional Edit:

It doesn't have to take as long or last as long as XI, but it should definitely last longer than 2 months. 6 months would be nice, in my opinion.

If this incarnation of relic had been released at HW launch then it would have been out for 6 months like you stated. One might argue that the backlash is not so much the grind itself but the time it was released.

[DragonSlayer45]

We're only one expansion in.

How long are people going to say this? I've been hearing this since 2.x and its the same song and dance every single time. They could have used Heavensward to shake up the game's core and build on existing ideas while creating new content. Instead, we got the same content in a different package. If they didn't use 3.0 for this, the cynic in me is saying that 4.0 won't be any different. I don't want to be like that, because I do genuinely love his game for its merits and consider it to be one of the best Final Fantasy games Square has delivered in over a decade. However, recent patches are making that difficult, since Square Enix doesn't seem too keen on supporting this game.

I can understand. They wanted to play it safe with 2.0 to see if the game was even worth rebuilding. But, the game has reached a point where its considered one of the biggest MMOs on the market, and for good reason. If Square Enix wants to keep it that way, then they need to stop playing it safe. Its already probably too late for Heavensward, so only time will tell if the 4.0 will shake things up or just be more of the same thing, different colored package deal. That's the idealist and cynic in me speaking.

[Catwho]

Let me also say that "best in slot" in XI had a different meaning than what it does in XIV. In XI, where gear-swapping was expected, a "best in slot" piece really meant "best for one or two actions" or "replaces multiple pieces of gear in different macros." Gjallarhorn at 75 was best in slot for bard not because it was super duper special, it was because that one horn replaced every other instrument in the game. Bard in XI did nothing but sing songs and provide support (pulling mobs, back up healing, etc) so we lived and died by our instruments. Most instruments were "+2 Minuet" or "+1 Ballad" or some variation. Gjallarhorn was "+2 all songs." That was 10 inventory slots out of my 80 I sudddenly had free for other gear. 300 million gil or 3 years for +10 inventory, in the end. (It eventually became +4 songs at 99.)

The XI melee relics also provided a unique weapon skill, one that looked cool but in reality didn't do much of anything special that the jobs couldn't already do.

[Katchoo]

Gjallarhorn was "+2 all songs." That was 10 inventory slots out of my 80 I sudddenly had free for other gear. 300 million gil or 3 years for +10 inventory, in the end. (It eventually became +4 songs at 99.)

The XI melee relics also provided a unique weapon skill, one that looked cool but in reality didn't do much of anything special that the jobs couldn't already do.

My two biggest regrets from FFXI, and the two things i would have changed/done if i could do it all again were: First level Bard as my first main rather than as my last because it was THE MOST fun i have ever had in an MMO and second get a Bow relic for Samurai as my second main because that was just cool as hell.