Mailing stuff to alts

[Ayerinn]

But the issue with that is, it would mean I would have leave my really good FC to be able to do that and I don't wanna do that, yes I do have the option to transfer thanks to my leader allowing me, but it's still an issue when you are limited with space from the company chest and I personally would love a feature to allow me to transfer to my alt via other means, I personally have 8 retainers and I still would love this feature, so it wouldn't stop me from using the extra retainer feature we have, infact it more than likely that I'll keep the feature so I can store more mats that I need that I mass craft everyday

yep, that is an issue - I wouldn't even care to make an FC if we could 1) mail alts 2) houses get auto shared with alts

[Twilite]

You know. XI used to have the same amount of rmt spam at one point. I wonder what they did to control it because it suddenly died off after a period. They were like really bad in XI though for a while, shouts/tells/everything.

There was a HUGE gilseller site that ran dry when SE implemented large restrictions on the amount of gil traded in all forms in the game. This combined with mass changes to HNM/NM stuff(RMT was hording spawns and camping EVERYTHING 24/7, etc) had hurt RMT very badly and they retaliated with several DDoS attacks. That task force team was also decently sized. Eventually RMT began given up as their "supply lines" were severed. Oh man, I remember it all, RMT used to MPK whole shells that were camping(this lead to SE implementing measures to address that, hence you can't "train" mobs into players anymore). You name it, they done it/tried it.

Before that, the RMT pretty much owned every server's economy for a number of years.

[Niwashi]

It's intended to inconvenience RMT. XI muling was heavily used to launder gil as for the longest time there wasn't much of a limit on what you could mail outside of RA/EX items, nor to who as you manually wrote the name of who you were mailing. Understandably, RMT abused the hell out of that, millions of gil just circulating around like it's nobody's business. In this game they are trying to curb that with the mail system.

I agree that completely unfettered Mail access would give RMT too much power. (Not only for moving items/gil around, but who wants their mailbox filled with RMT spam?) But we're not asking for unfettered Mail access to everybody, just for access to our own alts on the same account. Those are characters with far closer ties to our current character than anyone on out Friends list has. Moving gil or items around between unrelated characters is already allowed, just by Friending them. That's the part that RMT would use it for. So they're allowing the part that RMT would use while blocking the part that they wouldn't, but saying it's because of RMT.

SE just isn't making any sense on that. It's so nonsensical that I'm about convinced that in that Letter from the Producer Q&A quoted in the OP they must have misunderstood the question. It really sounds like they answered why we can't freely send mail to whomever we want (maybe thinking of alts on separate accounts) rather than why we can't send it to alts on the same account.

True and not true at same time, ... so yes if you pay monthly you pay more for a standard account as opposed to entry account but you don't pay per alt like in some games like XI did.

If you have to pay more or pay longer and the ONLY difference in what you get for that extra money is more alts, then I'd say we're definitely paying for extra alts. It's just that it's a single amount for alts 2 through 8 rather than paying one by one.

This would fix the inventory problem. They could make cash shop items(like fantasia) bound to a character and other items bound to account to avoid loop holes of creating an alt to get a free fantasia.

Fantasia is already bound so that it cannot be transferred through other means (like FC chest or trading through a friend). That would work for mail as well.

Or, you could mail your stuff to someone you trust (who has your alts in its friend list) to act as an intermediary for moving stuff over.

Yes, provided your friend is always online and never busy doing other stuff, or that you're in no hurry to get the items you transfer if they're not. And of course when you decide a friend is trustworthy enough, you'd better be right about that.

And yes, this is indeed one of the workarounds players use to make up for the lack of this basic feature, but it's enough worse from the requested access that it doesn't really make for much of a counterargument.

Sure you can make your own FC to be able to get things from one character to another, but what about having a FC house or go on Diadem journeys? I want to and need to be in a big FC to be able to do this.

And this is the problem with the other big workaround. If you want to use a private (or really small) FC so that you can transfer stuff, you have to give up on all the other purposes of having an FC.

right, but silence is tantamount to admitting it's about selling retainers at this point.

I don't think it has anything to do with selling retainers. This was frequently (sometimes rather vehemently) requested back when ARR first went live, and there were no retainer sales at that point, nor for a long time after. They didn't exist when that Letter quoted in the OP was written, for instance.

They won't let alts share/access retainers you bought under the same account either.

If they ever do, it had better be a separate feature not tied to those alts' own extra retainers. Right now if you have two or more alts and purchase an extra (3rd) retainer, all of your alts get a 3rd retainer. If you're genuinely playing each of them, they'll each have their own accumulation of items and will each need their own storage (and sell slots). Replacing that with a single 3rd retainer they all access would give you easy transfer, but at the cost of losing the ability to store and sell items for each character.

I'd like to see something like what LOTRO has, with Shared Storage that lets you share items with your alts as one feature and an upgrade-able Vault (per-character storage) as a separate feature, though they're accessed from the same place. Our Retainers would be the per-character version. Let us have another shared chest or other type of NPC lackey to act as the account wide shared version of retainers.

[KitingGenbu]

There was a HUGE gilseller site that ran dry when SE implemented large restrictions on the amount of gil traded in all forms in the game. This combined with mass changes to HNM/NM stuff(RMT was hording spawns and camping EVERYTHING 24/7, etc) had hurt RMT very badly and they retaliated with several DDoS attacks. That task force team was also decently sized. Eventually RMT began given up as their "supply lines" were severed. Oh man, I remember it all, RMT used to MPK whole shells that were camping(this lead to SE implementing measures to address that, hence you can't "train" mobs into players anymore). You name it, they done it/tried it.

Before that, the RMT pretty much owned every server's economy for a number of years.

Lol it honestly sounds like a more entertaining game than what we have now in XIV when you put it like that.

[Caelan]

also worth mentioning: some people have their alts friended due to a bug early on in ARR, and they can mail stuff to their alts while the rest of us can't

[XiXiQ]

My preference would be for them just to see all chars under your account, and put them on your friend list automatically. No need to change how retainers work, no impact on RMT, huge headache solved.

[KitingGenbu]

My preference would be for them just to see all chars under your account, and put them on your friend list automatically. No need to change how retainers work, no impact on RMT, huge headache solved.

I'll continue with the running joke since yoshida explained why they can't expand our inventory..."it would put too much stress on the servers."

[Solarra]

My preference would be for them just to see all chars under your account, and put them on your friend list automatically. No need to change how retainers work, no impact on RMT, huge headache solved.

I support this idea 100%

[XiXiQ]

I'll continue with the running joke since yoshida explained why they can't expand our inventory..."it would put too much stress on the servers."

Seems far better to be putting stress on the servers than your customers. Not that I think having your alts on your friendslist would be stressful to the servers at all. The game already knows who your alts are, its how they check you aren't buying/selling to them via the MB either.

[Caelan]

bump for discussion and the chance of a community team response