Bard - they broke my job

[ruskie]

I would say that your DPS is looking ok but the MNK should be able to push out another 150-200 DPS if he is at i205+ and gets paeon.

If your MNK has ilv ~206-210 gear, 1.6k DPS is low, when I'm around 1.6k DPS is just because my BRD wanna be a DPS, asking Goad and using just Foe. We lose DPS overall when my BRD does not sing TP, We run with 2 WARs, MNK and NIN.

Hmm thanks for the input. I'll see and check our data how it's going but did ask him and he said he is tightly controlling TP use and one mess up can cause him to lose too much.
We have a PLD, DRK, DRG(driver), MNK, BLM, BRD, SCH, WHM. So no goad to pass around.

Will check and compare with others to see what we can both do to adjust and improve.

[Greywolfamakir]

Hmm thanks for the input. I'll see and check our data how it's going but did ask him and he said he is tightly controlling TP use and one mess up can cause him to lose too much.
We have a PLD, DRK, DRG(driver), MNK, BLM, BRD, SCH, WHM. So no goad to pass around.

Will check and compare with others to see what we can both do to adjust and improve.

Its pretty easy to understand, more TP more Rockbreaker and more DPS.

[RinchanNau]

I would say that your DPS is looking ok but the MNK should be able to push out another 150-200 DPS if he is at i205+ and gets paeon.

I'm not so sure about that. Given the gear the goal should be 1800-2200 for a BRD. MNK can be in a similar range as well. In addition it can help others besides those two. I have no idea what the party comp is. Most groups have a WAR. While WAR has a lot of TP to work with via Equilibrium they can certainly also make use of the additional resources to output more DPS in A2.

Regardless of DPS goals you should not be able to go 6+ minutes in A2S with zero TP regen needed if you're pressing your GCDs normally. Single target you should only be lasting 3:30 to maaaaybe 4:30 with really low skill speed. So to last even longer on multiple targets where you should be doing a lot of multi dotting does not make sense.

[vp_cmc]

Given the gear the goal should be 1800-2200 for a BRD.

1800+ is top 40 in fflogs among bards.
2200+ is only 1 there

It's a nice goal, but I think it's not wise to expect this from random members

[RinchanNau]

1800+ is top 40 in fflogs among bards.
2200+ is only 1 there

It's a nice goal, but I think it's not wise to expect this from random members

Like I said. It's a goal. You should strive to improve each week. It won't always work out, but I think there is fun to be had in trying to outdo yourself each time.

[ruskie]

Like I said. It's a goal. You should strive to improve each week. It won't always work out, but I think there is fun to be had in trying to outdo yourself each time.

Agree with you on that hehe. It is fun to try and improve yourself.

[kalasnikov]

Only a fool looks at fflogs for pure dps considering all the dps padding thats done. All top numbers done are pure dps chasing and padding while manipulating battle to the persons favor. Horrible people use fflog tops as guidelines for dps

[ruskie]

Only a fool looks at fflogs for pure dps considering all the dps padding thats done. All top numbers done are pure dps chasing and padding while manipulating battle to the persons favor. Horrible people use fflog tops as guidelines for dps

Yup. My best DPS on thordan ex there is in a party with a MCH+DRG and I guess if I had a NIN it would be higher as well along with an AST for a balance and other stuff. So many ways to pad hehe. I do find them handy to see what I might be doing wrong or where I might improve and such though.

[RinchanNau]

Only a fool looks at fflogs for pure dps considering all the dps padding thats done. All top numbers done are pure dps chasing and padding while manipulating battle to the persons favor. Horrible people use fflog tops as guidelines for dps

All top numbers? I don't agree at all. Sure. Some are heavily catered, but plenty are not. It's possible to get very close to the top with zero catered strats provided you have a DRG. On A2 it is achievable with no DRG due to how important multi dotting, rain of death, and vuln stacks are. Perhaps you won't reach #1 without certain strats and a favorable party composition, but you can aim high instead of writing off all top parses as fluff.

In addition, these logs are useful because unlike previous leaderboards for FFXIV they are more than a number. You can see what abilities people use at what times. You can analyze their openers. There's a lot of useful information in there to help you improve.

[lulunami]

What are the group kill times for these 2200 dps bards in A2S?