Remove desynth cap

[-BlueGreen-]

I'm actually in favor of both specialists and the desynth caps, as they perform the same essential function that raid lockouts and tomestone caps perform for battle classes: It creates a maximum amount of "sunk time" that you can invest into crafting/desynthing. This is the same reason that SE has gone to a decent amount of effort to make it difficult to shuffle items between characters on an account.

The failure only comes in that the results of crafting and desynth are focused around a very small number of items in a small number of classes, creating an artificial utility restriction on going against the preferred specializations or desynth classes. Rather than remove the cap, I'd rather see equally accessible MC demi desynth items for all crafting classes, as that would fix the core issue without creating a meta-environment where you're expected to have every desynth capped.

So... would you also be in favor of some limit to how many battle jobs you can have in favor of limiting the "sunk time"? What if someone prefers to sink their time into crafting and only chooses to level up one, maybe two battle jobs? Games like these survive off of subs, which usually only keep going if there's stuff for people to sink their time into. Limiting that factor for crafting kind of shoots that in the foot since people who prefer crafting now hit a wall much earlier than necessary.

I totally agree that the desynth cap should be removed. Had it not been there in the first place, I would have certainly tried it out much earlier than I did (waited a long time, about a year, to find out more about it and figure out which 3 I would finally go with), and I would certainly desynth a lot more. Silly limits like this keep me away from content, rather than inviting me to it. I have all of my crafting classes beyond 50, but still haven't started the quest to get specializations. I don't like getting into things which make it feel like I'm limiting myself.

[viewtyjoe]

So... would you also be in favor of some limit to how many battle jobs you can have in favor of limiting the "sunk time"? What if someone prefers to sink their time into crafting and only chooses to level up one, maybe two battle jobs? Games like these survive off of subs, which usually only keep going if there's stuff for people to sink their time into. Limiting that factor for crafting kind of shoots that in the foot since people who prefer crafting now hit a wall much earlier than necessary.

There is a limit on how many battle classes you can have fully geared to a high level, and that is the tomestone caps and raid lockouts. You can't be i200+ on every battle class (at this moment in time), I see no reason why you should be able to be able to produce every item in the game at high-quality.

I've already stated that the issues with specialization and desynth caps aren't really due to the limitations, but due to the fact that the money comes from certain classes, forcing players to follow the standard GSM/BSM/ARM desynth setup if they want money. The problem I have with specialist recipes is that some require items that are specialist recipes of other classes, which forces players to pick certain specializations or be hobbled due to requirements.

The other option would be to make the desirable results of desynth untradeable, but no one wants that because the purpose of desynth is to sell those for money, as far as I've seen.

[-BlueGreen-]

There is a limit on how many battle classes you can have fully geared to a high level, and that is the tomestone caps and raid lockouts. You can't be i200+ on every battle class (at this moment in time), I see no reason why you should be able to be able to produce every item in the game at high-quality.

The key part is underlined. The fact is that you could eventually get there (nevermind that with the Diadem, you could probably get there fairly soon anyway). So why should we not be able to eventually get that far with crafting? For instance, I wouldn't care if it costs 900 red scripts to buy another specialization so long as I didn't have to give up any of my existing ones.

The other option would be to make the desirable results of desynth untradeable, but no one wants that because the purpose of desynth is to sell those for money, as far as I've seen.

I actually wouldn't mind that too much given that a lot of the best stuff that needs to be desynthesized anyway is untradeable. Of course, then I'd wonder why have a separate desynth level from crafting level in the first place. It would have been a serious pain if from the beginning I had to worry about leveling up the repair side of crafting to enjoy that benefit.

[Callback]

There is a limit on how many battle classes you can have fully geared to a high level, and that is the tomestone caps and raid lockouts..

No, red scrip limits are the equivalent of eso and raid lockouts. The desynth cap is like saying you can only have a combined 200 levels of any combat classes, and anything above that requires you to de-level or reset one of them. Also each class earns a different type of tomestone, and a full spectrum of them is needed to buy any good gear.