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  1. #51
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    Donjo's Avatar
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    A'lyhhia Tahz
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    Quote Originally Posted by Februs View Post
    It's an interesting idea. I'm honesty curious about whether or not a full Pld group can meet the Dps checks and at what average item lvl.
    Don't worry. I have faith that our fellow Paladins will be able to Cover for each other's weaknesses, acting as a Bulwark against the foul creatures who seek to pierce the Divine Veil that separates them from the Hallowed Ground Paladins fight to Protect. May they extend Clemency to these foes, that they may seek forgiveness in the Tempered Wills of Halone's Sentinels.
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  2. #52
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    Reynhart Kristensen
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    Quote Originally Posted by Donjo View Post
    I have faith that our fellow Paladins will be able to Cover for each other's weaknesses, acting as a Bulwark against the foul creatures who seek to pierce the Divine Veil that separates them from the Hallowed Ground Paladins fight to Protect. May they extend Clemency to these foes, that they may seek forgiveness in the Tempered Wills of Halone's Sentinels.
    Wonderful sentence...that says nothing about actually killing foes
    Quote Originally Posted by Reaver_Bharash View Post
    EDIT: HA! I'm stupid...I thought this was about Ravana EX >.>
    It could be a 1st step. But since 8 WARs have managed to do it, the setup would need to be 8 PLD or 8 DRK
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    Last edited by Reynhart; 12-05-2015 at 07:19 PM.

  3. #53
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    Caly Umbra
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    I see what you're trying to go with here but you're also going to need to clear it just as fast if not faster than the 8 WAR group and clear Thordan faster or as fast as the 7 WAR 1 WHM group.

    Even if you end up doing it, if it ends up being much slower than the WAR group then you're pretty much proving their point.
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  4. #54
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    Freyja Alfodr
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    Quote Originally Posted by Acala View Post
    So this thread is now about 5 days old, anything to show?
    I say give them at least a month or so to work everything out. Not like you can just get an irregular group like this and instaclear.
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  5. #55
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    Not too much uptake on Odin, although that's probably due to me being a bit lax recently and haven't been able to get on quite as much outside normal raid nights this past week .
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    Last edited by Kydi; 12-08-2015 at 09:13 AM.

  6. #56
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    u guys gonna need to wait for 4.0
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  7. #57
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    Quote Originally Posted by Warlyx View Post
    u guys gonna need to wait for 4.0
    By then, we'd have Alex clears without any DPS or with an 8-WAR Team...

    It would be fine to have some update, though. Like "We're still building the team" or "We've managed up to that part..."
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  8. #58
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    Kabz Il
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    Quote Originally Posted by Exodus_Kenpachi View Post
    AST has emnity issues and I will be expecting my MT (honestly it will prolly be me anyway) to ride the line of hate and with a solo heal and PLDs shit aggro that WILL be an issue. Also there will be no BRD so mana might be an issue for AST.... Also AST does shit DPS compared to SCH... Honestly I would prefer to have a SCH because really I am counting more on healer DPS than heals because 7 PLDs can rotate HG and can off heal as needed.
    If an AST can solo heal A3S, I'm pretty sure they can deal with Thordan. Plus MP management is near identical to WHMs when you consider their spells cost a lot less. It seems to be quite clear that maybe you don't know too much about healing, but Nekotee is right, you don't need a specific healer to solo heal this stuff.

    Also, more on point, your post completely contradicts your entire thread. You're trying to prove that WARs are not OP with their DPS and whatever else they're good at, and then you're asking for a SCH specifically because they can add the most DPS to the party. ;p
    I'll admit I don't know too much about tanking, but I'm pretty sure you'll prove nothing going at it this way.
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  9. #59
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    So, 7x PLD/DRK should easily be able to do Thordan EX. There's no fundamental problem with it, they contribute enough DPS to beat enrage and there's nothing else stopping them from clearing it. If the question is "can 7x PLD/DRK clear as fast as a 7x WAR group?" then... no, WAR literally does more DPS and their burst CDs line up near perfectly in Thordan. The 7x WAR group, likewise, won't contribute as much DPS as your standard comp with the same practice time (I noticed that someone kept posting old videos or new videos with first clears vs the 7 practiced WARs, which is kinda dumb. DPS optimization is based on knowing the fight, which these WARs do, whereas these other groups don't).

    The reason OP wants a SCH is because he has a Clemency rotation in mind, but it's not really necessary. Having access to 7 HGs is enough to make healing a joke and any healer would work for +DPS. If you guys only knew how cheap overgeared T13 was with 7 PLDs... literally every mechanic could be HG'd, you could negate both Earthshakers with Cover rotations... it was a beautiful thing that unfortunately no one ever attempted (I recommended it to Xeno when he was doing 7 WAR T13 but I don't think he ever got around to it). I haven't really mapped it out, but I'm sure you can do the same ridiculous thing with Thordan, minus the spear part which iirc can't be mitigated with HG but that's what other CDs are for!

    Also, PLD actually gained something useful for this in Heavensward and that's Divine Veil. 7 Divine Veils + HG + Cover? So good.

    Obviously the biggest thing missing in this comp is Eye. I'd recommend going 6 PLD + 1 WAR, but since this thread was based on the premise of proving some specific thing wrong that's impossible.

    Anyway, PLD aside, DRK should be fine as well but I don't really know enough about the job to tell you what it can do. As long as it can survive and meet the DPS check, then it's perfectly viable.

    One last thing: I think OP might've been temp banned or perma banned, as I got banned for 10 days for saying some things and my post got deleted - I believe the same thing happened to Exodus. Could be something else all together, but that's just my guess.
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  10. #60
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    The thing that personally bugs me more about this 7-War/1-Healer Thordan Ex stuff is how undertoned the fight was made. This is a casual content patch, yes, but really should current content be such a joke that 7 of one class already has the ability to beat current patch content be a thing? The content requirement for this fight is only ilvl190, but shouldn't these 7 of the same class kills not be possible, especially from a tank class, atleast till patch 3.2 or 3.3? Or is this expected to be the norm in Heavensward? This stuff being possible so soon with new content personally bugs me.
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    Last edited by Isius; 12-14-2015 at 07:04 PM.

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