question on something Yoshi-p said

[Bloodb]

Yoshi-p said in a live letter I believe that support classes don't do as much dps as pure dps.

If bard never had to use Mage's Ballad or Army's Paeon, or if machinist never had to use Promotion or Distmantle. Would bard and machinist do equal damage to dragoon, ninja, blackmage, monk, etc...??

[Risvertasashi]

Nope.*

*This assumes single target and each job in question is being played to its potential. Actual results, especially in DF but sometimes even in statics, will vary.

[whiskeybravo]

Is that like a tongue-in-cheek kinda way of saying bards and mch are support classes since they don't do as much dps as a pure dps? xD

[Stupiduglytaru]

Weapon dmg stat for brd/mch is lower than the equivalent weapon for every other job

[NoahArks]

I'm still thinking if WP and GB are even useful or stance dancing would be better. Considering both lose auto attack, but in the Machinist it's case losing it's auto-attack means damage loss. Considering it's all about chance.


example Without GB and reload/quick reload (since they're CD's):

splitslot 700 damage
Auto attack 300-400

2.47s cooldown

With GB
Split shot 800-900

Cast time is 3 seconds and then it has a cooldown of 2.47s



Means you can use splitshot two-three times, while you've used a single splitshot with GB. It's obvious if you go full nuker style as a opener with all your CD's that wildfire will do more with GB. This makes me think that stance dancing will let mch do more damage than they currently do. Though, I still don't get how the dev team thought making brd/mch exact clones of eachother.

[RiceisNice]

Yoshi-p said in a live letter I believe that support classes don't do as much dps as pure dps.

If bard never had to use Mage's Ballad or Army's Paeon, or if machinist never had to use Promotion or Distmantle. Would bard and machinist do equal damage to dragoon, ninja, blackmage, monk, etc...??

Their stance on BRD (and by extension, MCH dps) has been shifting left and right, that I'm honestly confused on what they want. They do less dps either due to their more flexible movement (which imo is a bad reason to tax their dps), or they do less dps because of their "support" role (which is double taxxing since said support abilities reduce their damage anyway). They couldn't settle with a specific reason and keep dancing between those two.

[ErikMynhier]

Tanks have a Main Tank and Off Tank stance, give the rangers a DPS stance and a Support stance. Example:

Bard
Bow Stance - Give boosted DPS and accuracy, lowers effects of support skills, animation: holding a bow (normal drawn weapon look)
Harp Stance - Boosts all support skills and raises defenses a little, lowers DPS skills, animation: holds harp full time like when playing songs, even when not playing songs (no ranged auto-attack)

Maybe like that but something similar, and for the gunners too.

[KazuneHypnotik]

Tanks have a Main Tank and Off Tank stance, give the rangers a DPS stance and a Support stance. Example:

Bard
Bow Stance - Give boosted DPS and accuracy, lowers effects of support skills, animation: holding a bow (normal drawn weapon look)
Harp Stance - Boosts all support skills and raises defenses a little, lowers DPS skills, animation: holds harp full time like when playing songs, even when not playing songs (no ranged auto-attack)

Maybe like that but something similar, and for the gunners too.

I can see the community's reaction to this since they jizz over top dps lol

"BRD GO BOW STANCE FOR MAX DPS YOU NOOB"

[myahele]

I honestly would've preferred it if GB/WM had shorter cooldowns like Cleric Stance or Tank stances.

[Kuwagami]

snip.

in early 2.0 bards had the same dps than any of the other jobs, and thus you had no reason to bring anything else in raids. 3 bards 1 mage, 2 bards, 2 mages or 2 bards, 1 mage 1 melee (for lb) was the norm.

Then they got hammer nerfed to what they are now