So...about that white magitek mount

[Teryaani]

I heard WoW and FFXIV are merging. They said it's gonna be Eorzeazeroth: Realm of Warcraft.

Will I be able to use my ogre piñata and kobold miner nugget thing in the game? If so I'm sold!

[Yasuhiro]

Well FFXIV being a WoW clone with FF elements isn''t an opinion, it's fact.

- what they did with FFXIV.

Which is why I don't understand the hate for WoW, or FFXI for that matter. "Hey, WoW has this cool thing, can we bring this over here?" gets met with "OMG THIS ISN'T WOW, go back to WoW you WoW filth". If someone dislikes WoW that strongly and enjoys FFXIV, they've either never played WoW, or are seriously "fanboying" FFXIV and believe it is a perfect game. But yeah, it's irrelevant. :x

I don't like WoW but I like Final Fantasy XIV (to an extent)

[Fevelle]

"Hey, WoW has this cool thing, can we bring this over here?" gets met with "OMG THIS ISN'T WOW, go back to WoW you WoW filth"

Because WoW-players want to bring more things from there to FFXIV, when this games should be walking the path to be more of a FF. I see a lot of players saying they don't like certain things because "a MMORPG shouldn't be like this, look at WoW for example".

You know Brachiosaur? The one dino that casts meteor? I read a group of WoW players that migrated here saying it was bad design, that SE has "no imagination and create dinos that cause meteors". They didn't even know that the mob came from FFVI where he also casts meteor and is the most powerful normal encounter monster.

It sincerely disgusts me to see people who know nothing about this franchise try to change this game for the worst. All this hardcore raid mentality, elitist mentality, "don't add relics because it's gonna ruin the raids", "MSQ is too big, the game shouldn't require us to do it", all these things, they don't belong in a Final Fantasy game and every time I see them on the forums, they're coming from a WoW player.

[Teryaani]

Because WoW-players want to bring more things from there to FFXIV, when this games should be walking the path to be more of a FF. I see a lot of players saying they don't like certain things because "a MMORPG shouldn't be like this, look at WoW for example".

When another game does something that players like and the game you're currently playing doesn't, it's okay to make the comparison. Even if that game is WoW.

You know Brachiosaur? The one dino that casts meteor? I read a group of WoW players that migrated here saying it was bad design, that SE has "no imagination and create dinos that cause meteors". They didn't even know that the mob came from FFVI where he also casts meteor and is the most powerful normal encounter monster.

I'm willing to bet that there are number of players that never touched WoW that also never touched FF6. Are you expecting that we've all played all the FF games in order to play this one? If it was a requirement to understand and play this game, the servers would be more of a ghost town than they are now.

It sincerely disgusts me to see people who know nothing about this franchise try to change this game for the worst. All this hardcore raid mentality, elitist mentality, "don't add relics because it's gonna ruin the raids", "MSQ is too big, the game shouldn't require us to do it", all these things, they don't belong in a Final Fantasy game and every time I see them on the forums, they're coming from a WoW player.

I'm going to go out on a limb and suggest that you don't actually know that. Hardcore mentality isn't unique to WoW players. The "digust" you're expressing over people who haven't played every step of this franchise is pretty elitist as well.

[Eidolon]

You know Brachiosaur? The one dino that casts meteor? I read a group of WoW players that migrated here saying it was bad design, that SE has "no imagination and create dinos that cause meteors". They didn't even know that the mob came from FFVI where he also casts meteor and is the most powerful normal encounter monster.

The idea of a Brachiosaur casting Meteor is silly and absurd - even if it's a throwback to FFVI, it would still be absurd in that game too. I don't really remember FFVI myself very well - but honestly... Are you telling me you don't find something comedic about a Dinosaur casting Meteor?


I gotta say though, I -hate- the Brachiosaur myself. Not from the context of him being a 'rediculous' enemy (far from it, that makes me giggle every time) - I just hated the mechanic of meteor There's no way to prevent it, so it is literally a damage-soak-and-heal-through it mechanic. There are other boss-level enemies in Diadem that actually prove there are interesting mechanics.

When the mamoth spawns, I know whcih of its skills to Silence to prevent it from applying a heavy on everyone so they can better handle its attacks. This is an example of GOOD mechanics. Brachiosaur, though, every time I see it, I role my eyes. There is nothing I can do as a healer, tank, or DPS to handle his mechanic. It is literalyl get hit -> Heal. You can LoS if there is something nearby but that will not always be the case.

[kingatlas]

No way, Brach is a throw back, mad respect to the devs for that. Anything from old FF's that they put in is respect to people who have played FF, and love the games.

They have to do stuff like that to show people they love the older games too, and that is why they throw that love into this game.


BUT, this is getting super off topic, start a new rant if you want to talk about this.

[KaijinRhada]

As far as knowing where throwbacks come from go, I don't fault people for that. I don't fault the fact that, for example, the brachiosaur is a throwback to the FFVI enemy (cries forever at farming them), or that the magitek armour is also from VI. I don't fault people not knowing that Krile's namesake is from V, or that Matoya is from the very first of the franchise. Equally when playing WoW, I don't fault people for not playing all three of the RTS and related expansions, and I didn't fault them for not knowing who any of the major lore characters were.

With suggestions, it's not only the franchise people think about, it's the genre, and like it or not WoW is the most successful title in the genre so more people will make comparisons and maybe root some suggestions from said game more so than others. Not only that, what ideas you don't like, some people will, and they're ideas and suggestions. We all have as much right to put them forward as any one else. With that everyone has the right to agree or disagree.

As for the topic at hand, I'm neutral to the cash shop. Some things I want, and some things I don't. As far as development times, I've no problem with recolours of existing mounts on it, but I would have like to see those two in particular in CM and Prae respectively. Oh well.

[Yasuhiro]

It sincerely disgusts me to see people who know nothing about this franchise try to change this game for the worst. All this hardcore raid mentality, elitist mentality, "don't add relics because it's gonna ruin the raids", "MSQ is too big, the game shouldn't require us to do it", all these things, they don't belong in a Final Fantasy game and every time I see them on the forums, they're coming from a WoW player.

Well it is true that a majority of XIV players have not played any other Final Fantasy game in the series so many references are lost on them.
My time when I was on NA servers when Mor Dhona was the end game area was people whining about how much they miss WoW.

Some people don't even know that Knights of the Round (King Thordan) is from VII o_o
None of the games are connected anyway so it doesn't matter really, just wish people would remember what this game is called.
XIV is a FF game to me first and a WoW clone second.

[Voltyblast]

It sincerely disgusts me to see people who know nothing about this franchise try to change this game for the worst. All this hardcore raid mentality, elitist mentality, "don't add relics because it's gonna ruin the raids", "MSQ is too big, the game shouldn't require us to do it", all these things, they don't belong in a Final Fantasy game and every time I see them on the forums, they're coming from a WoW player.

I do know about the franchise and my username is a proof of my past love not only for Final Fantasy but also for Square Enix games in general. Do "we" disgust you at the point that it bothers your game experience? I ask because, whenever I hear people mentioning how good this community is, here comes someone who hates "us" so much because we lack the "knowledge" of the franchise. That's what we call "Elitism" you know.

I play WoW and it has its good and bads. I play FFXIV and it has its good and bads. However, since I'm currently playing THIS game it's a legitimate concern when something isn't working properly, such as the cheap cash in from the shop. But I'm sure that you'll also find others who also will complain and most likely never played WoW in all their entire life. Do they disgust you too, even if some of their points may or may not be correct?

I used to love the franchise but it's these kind of people who made me quit this love.

[Velthice]

I'd personally this game take more mechanic designs from WoW while keeping the themes of Final Fantasy. They don't have to be mutually exclusive. They both have massive fan bases and extremely excel in their respective areas of engaging mmo gameplay and engaging storytelling/world building. The two should be married, not driven apart, and the hostility the fanbases have towards each other serve no purpose but to make a worse experience for everyone.