Tank Balance - Thordan EX 7-WAR 1-WHM Clear (Really SE?)

[Reynhart]

At crying so much maybe you want your favorite tank to not be able to wear strenght accesories anymore, it would end your dramatic annoying story... and maybe shut your mouth about your tank flamme war for good...

So much word to say so little...
And spreading a wrong idea too. "Top tier" is not mandatory, as long as you put enough thoughts in each tank to make them more different.
Exactly why I think "Increasing PLD DPS" is kind of a bad solution.
And also why I think nerfing WAR is more viable. Give it some "cons" to counter its "pros".

[kensatsu]

1) you don't wish to not be able to stack strenght on your tank XD, so you don't argue tank dps is too high ?. it's not like PLD can't surpass a bad dps

2) PLD rage of the halone is 260 potency, when dark and War aggro combo is 300 potency, it make the pld make less aggro/less dps in MT, why ? ^^ it's a thing realy weird even if it give a force debuff, it make a lot of pld crying... beside that it's not because i think it's weird, it's not should be like that

3) Nerf/up the dps, nerf/up the migitation depend of the next raid direction, how do you know what need to be nerf and what need to be up , since if there any change it come with the new raid in 3.2 ? it's pretty much why SE don't have to listen to crying babies XD

[Ashkendor]

crying

crying

Did you just come in here to cry about what you perceive as crying or do you actually have anything to add to the discussion?

[Warlyx]

1 : BRD/MCH have low DPS. It's not a surprising thing that WAR can get close to that as OT in Thordan EX considering how the fight is literally tuned around Berserk's CD/duration/pacification timers. Yet, it's "getting close to" not "outperforming", and considering that it's the lowest DPS of all the DPS, it's not that bad. And considering that DRK is in the same DPS range as WAR as OT (just a little below), it's not a "WAR" thing, it's a tank thing.

2 : BRD/MCH DPS isn't only on their numbers. They increase everyone else's DPS, as Brian_ specified it. So, without them, the other party members wouldn't be as high. It compensates for their lower personnal DPS.

3 : You're talking about potency differences between tanks and BRD/MCH, but that makes no sense, look at MNK potencies, yet they're the current top DPS. Look at BLM potencies, yet they have very high DPS. That's because they have the toolkit and the buffs that make these low potencies do high damage. BRD/MCH have these low potencies but a LOT of offensive cooldowns, a 30% damage increasing stance, and a toolkit that favors party-DPS increase. Plus, WAR's potencies aren't that high. Only the 500 pot Fell Cleave is very very high potency, everything else is in the "average potency" range, all jobs included. Plus, their only damaging oGCD is Brutal Swing (100 pot). What makes their DPS "high" is Berserk (Maim doesn't really count, every job has something like that except PLD).

war dont bring anything to the table i gues... being a tank.....slashing debuff ...and that -10% dmg taken...yeah thats why brd/mch do lower dps....IS NOT SURPRISING A TANK JOB does the same damage as DPS JOB? if u say so....

30% dmg increasing stance? yet brd and mch are on the same post dps wise as 2.0 behind every1 by the same % after losing movility and gaining that AWESOME 30% boost...its awesome going from 2.0 > 3.0 and gaining nothing but a stance that force casts ....and promises 30% more dmg...30% of low dps ...is nothing.

deliverance + maim = 25% dmg boost....+ crit on every abandon stack...+ cds ....oh and being able to regain TP of course...all that while being able to tank everything in the game with 1 button (defiance) but nah thats "balanced" i guess...

potency here potency there.... lets talk about weapon dmg shall we?


Wars atm have too much going for them , while others ....not so much (pld ), guess no1 remembers 2.0 ....warriors were crying left and right for buffs (that were really needed , we all agree on that) ,even pld players agreed on war buffs...guess War community isnt as friendly as PLD

[Bashum]

I don't think anyone is disputing that the Paladin could use some help. I'd just like it to be something other than bringing them up to the same DPS level as the other two tanks. Sometimes in the pursuit of perfect "balance" classes become way too generic, I'd like to see that not happen with FFXIV.

There have been numerous good suggestions on how to achieve this, either by having buffs they could give to the raid to increase raid dps, designing more physical based tank busters. Design encounters in such a way that the Paladin's utility is actually USEFUL.

Oh yeah, and for god's sake, switching Oaths really shouldn't interrupt combos. I really don't see why the switch from SO to SHO needs to be such a PITA.

P.S. not really sure why having clemency be instant cast, even if it was a long cooldown would be a problem. Hmm, a big heal, instant cast by a Paladin, long cooldown. Lay of hands anyone? Only something that's been part of nearly every Paladin's toolkit since pen and paper D&D.

[Merkava]

Boosting DPS isn't, IMO, the best solution to every balance issue in this game. I mean, like it's been mentioned before, classes like BRD and MCH are highly desired because of their raw utility (even though they have "low" DPS). SE should just issue huge utility boosts to PLD instead of buffing their DPS or nerfing WAR and DRK.

I dunno... crazy ideas like...

Give Spirith Within a 15 Second 5% global damage increase to the hit enemy.
Give Temperance Will a Goat like effect during its duration.
Remove the healing requirement from Divine Veil.
Make Clemency Instant cast but give it a 30 second cooldown (make it oGCD).
Increase the range of Cover and give it some other benefit.

Dunno, stuff like that. Make PLD the support tank, it was clear SE was aiming for something like that but just ended up doing it half-assed. Make PLDs the BRD and MCH of the tank class.

[Freyyy]

Give Temperance Will a Goat like effect during its duration.

[Bashum]

Could also play Taylor swift's "Trouble - goat edition" when used.

[Brannigan]

Goats have rectangular pupils and it makes them look like hellbeasts. No wonder ancient whatevers made them into a symbol of the devil. F goats.

[Warlyx]

Goats have rectangular pupils and it makes them look like hellbeasts. No wonder ancient whatevers made them into a symbol of the devil. F goats.

goats have like 340º vision ....is amazing