Absolute frustration at not being able to see my own DPS (ps4)

[Odett]

"I have absolutely zero firsthand experience in current savage content but I assure you that parsers are not needed for it, and will belittle you if you say otherwise. I am not toxic."

[KaitlanKela]

Let's break the effects of implementing a parser into the game into some cases:

An @sshole sees your DPS after the first pull, reams you for not pulling your weight then vote kicks you. Harassment. Report. Move on. It would have been nice if they had acted human toward you, but it's the internet and there's no way that is going to happen 100% of the time no matter what. That's why harassment is reportable and it can be punished. Assume they are a dick all the time not just to you, don't take it personally, keep calm and carry on. For the record, people who are jerks are jerks already, parser or no. They just look at your gear instead. Therefore, this scenario is neutral: it neither improved or harmed the raiding meta. It's the same.

A decent fellow looks at his own numbers and realizes that they're less than the rest of the raid, or (ideally) he's comparing himself to other people his class for this fight. He doesn't say anything to anyone about it, but just looks up some ways to improve his rotation on the internet. Starts putting out better numbers. Everyone in the raid is happy, the quality of the meta improves by that much. Positive outcome

A helpful player notices that someone in their team is pulling low numbers. They casually offer to help said player, making suggestions about how they could improve. This other player accepts the advice with humility. Assuming it was good advice when they try it their numbers improve and they become a better player. Everyone in the raid benefits, the quality of the meta improves by that much. Positive outcome

A helpful player does the above, but the DPS in question gets butthurt and accuses player #1 of being mean and they demand that they can play their own way. Three options - Player 1 leaves, player 2 leaves, neither leave and they play the dungeon. Both option one and option two are less than ideal but they are already happening. Option three could end in clearing the dungeon or vote abandon. It has to be a seriously terrible dungeon run to make up for the 30 min lockout, and the vote abandon because you legitimately can't finish is disappointing and frustrating, but both situations are rare and are also already happening occasionally so how is it any different? Neutral outcome.

Therefore, all scenarios with a parser are either improved from what we have now, or neutral. Nothing is more toxic than it is already. The key here is that in order to get the benefits of the parser, we all need to try to be courteous and empathetic, as well as humble with thick-skins. If we have sensitive people or jerks the parser doesn't help us but, well, it really happens already, doesn't it? So it's not making it worse either.

[Fourbestintoner]

A i700-200 DRG literally do 300 dps just by auto attacking.

[zosia]

Quoted for truth. Unfortunately, many people still do not understand this.

Yes we do. That's why we keep reiterating that the game has GM, black lists, and report player features. We even provided proof of people being banned over harassment.

You guys just love dancing around those points because you are all very selfish wanting ps3 and ps4 to be disadvantaged for the sake of some theoretical harassment that may occur without any form of recourse.

"I have absolutely zero firsthand experience in current savage content but I assure you that parsers are not needed for it, and will belittle you if you say otherwise. I am not toxic."

qft and have a like

[RadiantRay]

"I have absolutely zero firsthand experience in current savage content but I assure you that parsers are not needed for it, and will belittle you if you say otherwise. I am not toxic."

I've been lurking around in this thread for a while now but I have to say this comment made my day!

+1

[Eylirria]

Guys

Stop violating the parser-free safespace

come on!

/sarcasm.

[DPZ2]

You forgot a scenario:

You enter an instance, perform adequately and are then 'mysteriously' kicked because someone doesn't like your numbers. This becomes the standard procedure of all those 'git gud' folk out there. [After all, if you can't 'git gud' why should you be tolerated in the instance?] It's not reportable, because nothing has been said. It becomes so prevalent, however, that subscriptions start dropping rapidly because the folks who get constantly kicked go find another MMO to play.

Congratulations! Toxicity has been avoided!

[Kaurie]

You forgot a scenario:

You enter an instance, perform adequately and are then 'mysteriously' kicked because someone doesn't like your numbers. This becomes the standard procedure of all those 'git gud' folk out there. [After all, if you can't 'git gud' why should you be tolerated in the instance?] It's not reportable, because nothing has been said. It becomes so prevalent, however, that subscriptions start dropping rapidly because the folks who get constantly kicked go find another MMO to play.

Congratulations! Toxicity has been avoided!

I don't think people will kick people who are performing adequately. Either way, what you described is what is currently happening, as DPS parsers are used but just on the hush hush.

Furthermore, I would expect people are equally as likely to quit from frustration due to being paired with people who don't pull their weight as they are to quit due to being kicked from a dungeon once in a blue moon.

[zosia]

You forgot a scenario:

You enter an instance, perform adequately and are then 'mysteriously' kicked because someone doesn't like your numbers. This becomes the standard procedure of all those 'git gud' folk out there. [After all, if you can't 'git gud' why should you be tolerated in the instance?] It's not reportable, because nothing has been said. It becomes so prevalent, however, that subscriptions start dropping rapidly because the folks who get constantly kicked go find another MMO to play.

Congratulations! Toxicity has been avoided!

This scenario already has the potential to happen. This is not a new issues. It won't be a new issue with an official parser. Try again. Also, I think you're being hyperbolic. No one I know kicks people in this game for performing adequately.

You're just providing another example that anti parser arguments are either semantic BS, hyperbole, or make no sense. Thanks for your contribution.

[Archaell]

A lot of relationships end due to the lack of communication.

Would you rather be kicked without a word or kicked while being told that your performance is not good enough?

In the first case you have no idea what is the problem. In the second one you can improve and fix it.

Not to mention that nobody is going to help you when they risk getting banned for it, so official parser could actually decrease the number of silent kicks.