Whats with people hating F2P?

[ExiaQuanta]

Imagine.

Base Heavensward 29.99
MCH $9.99
AST $9.99
DRK $9.99

instead of needing 3.8 exp and now needed 7.6m exp from 59-60 but each dungeon only gives you about 1% - 3% in your exp bar but cashop offers 4hours 2x exp for 1 day for 1.99 or 9.99 for 24 hours for 4 days.
all skills obtained after 50 are cashop and cost 4.99 each. You can now +10 every weapon with the usage of money and make every content laughable and a potion that makes you withstand any OHKO mechanic with 1hp for 4.99 or higher for 5 pots. Or in PVP where if any GC faction had the most cashop items will instant win.

[StrejdaTom]

It is shame that there are no longer MMOs (also no upcoming MMOs if I haven't missed something) that give you access to EVERYTHING in exchange for monthly subscription. No cash shop, no bonus services etc. I think that every MMO is slowly going into F2P model (simply because it is much more lucrative) and no matter what Yoshi says, when SE decides F2P model will make them more profit, FFXIV will go into F2P too.

They just need to find out the right mixture of stuff that would yield enough money (in cash shop). So far they tried only vanity stuff, but they will definitely try to cross the line a few times in future.

[Lemuria]

The biggest problem with F2P models is balance. For every free player, you would have another player forking out far more than the subscription costs. The average 'Free to Play' game costs a lot more to play than subscription models, because of the sheer volume of quests or other goodies which tend to be locked behind pay walls.

This game already has a cash shop for glamours, so it would be utter foolishness to assume they could survive purely on glamours alone to sustain development on the story and other areas. In short, the very thing that makes it a Final Fantasy game would be fatally wounded if they switched to a F2P model.

[Saccharin]

This is like a textbook example of a slippery slope fallacy. There's no proof to show that SE intends to ever add anything but 100% cosmetic content to the cash shop, and in fact they've said multiple times that they're going to be keeping it that way.

but...

The thing is, giving 1 or 2 extra retainers to every single character on every single server would surely add up to more space than only adding for those that are willing to pay for the service. Think about how many people have alts - I doubt that very many people subscribe to extra retainers for each alt (if they subscribe to retainers at all, since you can use alts and the FC chest to list and/or store extra items for you). Don't get me wrong, I'd like more retainers too. It would give me even more market presence than I already have. The only problem I'd have is keeping a supply of venture coins on hand. :3



I don't see how glamour items and mounts are "disgusting" but that's your opinion and you're welcome to it. To me, the only types of things that would make the cash shop intolerable would be if they affected actual game stats, exp gain, or access to areas.

Keeping the most wanted for the cash shop. That's beyond disgusting come to think of it.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

It is shame that there are no longer MMOs (also no upcoming MMOs if I haven't missed something) that give you access to EVERYTHING in exchange for monthly subscription. No cash shop, no bonus services etc. I think that every MMO is slowly going into F2P model (simply because it is much more lucrative) and no matter what Yoshi says, when SE decides F2P model will make them more profit, FFXIV will go into F2P too.

They just need to find out the right mixture of stuff that would yield enough money (in cash shop). So far they tried only vanity stuff, but they will definitely try to cross the line a few times in future.

Unfortunately, people have a huge aversion to subscription based MMOs despite it being proven they actually cost less in the long haul because many people will eventually succumb to temptation and buy things from the Cash Shop. Everyone starts by claiming they would never pay real money for that stuff. Until that one item they've really wanted appears. Then it's "Okay, it's only one item." And then...

[Furiea]

Like, they say theyd quit if it was.
Why? You like spending loads of cash and wasting money every month/two months/three? I hate it. Its a waste but I do it because I like the game.

why? because it keeps idiots and little kids out of this game.
you need to pay for the game itself and pay monthly >> get committed players (even known some still suck)

[vigioX-Sun]

why? because it keeps idiots and little kids out of this game.
you need to pay for the game itself and pay monthly >> get committed players (even known some still suck)

an this is why I prefer P2P, always better.
+1 to you

[Adire]

why? because it keeps idiots and little kids out of this game.
you need to pay for the game itself and pay monthly >> get committed players (even known some still suck)

If only it really worked this way.

I see as many manchildren in this game as I see in F2P games, sometimes more.

[DCILuther]

The Stigma of F2P being P2W came from those Eastern (SKorea/China/Japan) MMORPGS back in the day (I would say from 2001/2002 to present) that were ported to NA. There were tons of them. The way they made money in Asia is through the Cash Shop. Publishers brought that system them in the NA versions. Of course being "free", it attracted a ton of people, so you got ALL kinds of people playing the game. The Cash Shop back then were cosmetic items but also p2w items. Today, Cash Shop items for different games are similar and different at the same time. Mostly, it's P2W but also mostly Pay-to-not-be-inconveniened, like features locked behind paywall. Also going from P2P to F2P in the NA market is seen as a failure in some cases, if not, it is always seen as a "desperate" move.

Take a look at SWTOR, when they went F2P, so many things were locked behind a paywall/cash shop/market/whatever. I'm talking about Hotbars, Races, Money Limit, Storage, etc.

I want you to imagine FFXIV having:
-the other races except Hyur locked behind cash shop (you have to buy each race)
-350K Gil Limit per character
-Limited Retainers and/or retainer space
-Limited Market sell space
-All mounts except Chocobo on Cash Shop
-Unable to wear Certain Gear unless you are a Subscriber/Cash Shop
-Glamour is disabled unless you are a Subscriber/Cash Shop
-Something like Titles are not enabled unless Subscribed/Cash Shop
-and many more horrible things.

Think about that.

Finally, I think Yoshi-P said, that the difference between F2P and P2P is: if you are F2P, you (dev team) develop content for the CASH SHOP, rather than content for the actual game. The in-game content suffers as a result. (If I can find the link)

[Colorful]

By unique I mean mounts that took development time to actually develop a new model and the like, this was done with the development time in like 5 minutes (as said in a development blog I believe). The only thing we have similar to this is minions I believe, but $5 is more than reasonable for a minion if I'm being honest, compared to WoW's $10 anyway (I also couldn't care less about minions unless they're really nice).