Stop telling Tanks not to use provoke there is a place to use it when pulling mobs.

[Zazriel]

This has been discussed before. You should not use provoke has your only pulling skill, you should not use it when regeneration skills active or you have an inexperienced group. But it has nice range costs no tp and can be useful for speed runs and grouping mobs together from a distance.


This reminds me of when the game was launched and people where telling WHMS not to use medica 2, regen, or cure 3 because of emnity and now we have a bunch of healers that don't explore all of WHM abilities. Divine seal swift cast medica 2, regen, presence of mind cleric stance, holy holy holy..... click off cleric stance pop shroud of saints= GOD MODE HEALING in df. You can add or subtract shroud at the start of that rotation or end just mp management.

[AriaEnia]

Provoke does nothing if others haven't put some enmity on the mob that you are provoking, it's better to use shield lob or tomahawk etc for pulling mobs. because they give enmity. Yup it has a nice range but it also has longer cooldown, you might need it when there's a melee dps surpassing your enmity when they are focusing on just one mob, but then again, it can also be easily prevented without provoke.

[Zazriel]

You are correct AriaEnia but there is a place to use it as long has the skill and it's limitations is understood. But to just say don't use provoke is incorrect.

[WellFooled]

You are correct AriaEnia but there is a place to use it as long has the skill and it's limitations is understood. But to just say don't use provoke is incorrect.

Every rule has exceptions, but that doesn't mean we cant have rules. If someone was giving a new tank advice and said "Don't use provoke to pull, you might need it for something else", that would be good advice 95% of the time and I wouldn't argue with them.

[AlphaFox]

I can see using it as a pull when trying to grab a lot, but I can see the risks assuming the group or healer isn't aware that is your plan before casting heals.

[Rocond]

Every rule has exceptions, but that doesn't mean we cant have rules. If someone was giving a new tank advice and said "Don't use provoke to pull, you might need it for something else", that would be good advice 95% of the time and I wouldn't argue with them.

That would be horrible advice. Good advice would be to make sure they understand how the ability works, not just some blanket statement of don't use it for pulling. I pull with it all the time to gather up trash and i'm pretty sure I got a handle on tanking in this game.

[Zazriel]

I really appreciate all your responses. I'm just seeing a trend of blanket statements limiting gameplay that are false.

[Moonleg]

That would be horrible advice. Good advice would be to make sure they understand how the ability works, not just some blanket statement of don't use it for pulling. I pull with it all the time to gather up trash and i'm pretty sure I got a handle on tanking in this game.

The newbie tank needs the basics, not a rundown of the situations in which he may want to use Provoke instead of Shield Lob.

[Kallera]

Provoke has its uses. Thing is in terms of emnity, it just makes you first. Handy enough when no one is beating on it, but eventually you have to provide an emnity lead to stay first.

It also has a greater range than shield lob

[Dualblade]

The newbie tank needs the basics, not a rundown of the situations in which he may want to use Provoke instead of Shield Lob.

Saying that he might need it for something else isn't exactly helpful as it doesn't explain WHAT situation that might be. Provoke here works different from most MMOs that I atleast have played. Taking a few minutes to explain that it puts you on top of the current aggro list instead of just doing a certain percentage of aggro would be helpful for newbies.