Stop telling Tanks not to use provoke there is a place to use it when pulling mobs.

[Zazriel]

This has been discussed before. You should not use provoke has your only pulling skill, you should not use it when regeneration skills active or you have an inexperienced group. But it has nice range costs no tp and can be useful for speed runs and grouping mobs together from a distance.


This reminds me of when the game was launched and people where telling WHMS not to use medica 2, regen, or cure 3 because of emnity and now we have a bunch of healers that don't explore all of WHM abilities. Divine seal swift cast medica 2, regen, presence of mind cleric stance, holy holy holy..... click off cleric stance pop shroud of saints= GOD MODE HEALING in df. You can add or subtract shroud at the start of that rotation or end just mp management.

[AriaEnia]

Provoke does nothing if others haven't put some enmity on the mob that you are provoking, it's better to use shield lob or tomahawk etc for pulling mobs. because they give enmity. Yup it has a nice range but it also has longer cooldown, you might need it when there's a melee dps surpassing your enmity when they are focusing on just one mob, but then again, it can also be easily prevented without provoke.

[Zazriel]

You are correct AriaEnia but there is a place to use it as long has the skill and it's limitations is understood. But to just say don't use provoke is incorrect.

[WellFooled]

You are correct AriaEnia but there is a place to use it as long has the skill and it's limitations is understood. But to just say don't use provoke is incorrect.

Every rule has exceptions, but that doesn't mean we cant have rules. If someone was giving a new tank advice and said "Don't use provoke to pull, you might need it for something else", that would be good advice 95% of the time and I wouldn't argue with them.

[Rocond]

Every rule has exceptions, but that doesn't mean we cant have rules. If someone was giving a new tank advice and said "Don't use provoke to pull, you might need it for something else", that would be good advice 95% of the time and I wouldn't argue with them.

That would be horrible advice. Good advice would be to make sure they understand how the ability works, not just some blanket statement of don't use it for pulling. I pull with it all the time to gather up trash and i'm pretty sure I got a handle on tanking in this game.

[Moonleg]

That would be horrible advice. Good advice would be to make sure they understand how the ability works, not just some blanket statement of don't use it for pulling. I pull with it all the time to gather up trash and i'm pretty sure I got a handle on tanking in this game.

The newbie tank needs the basics, not a rundown of the situations in which he may want to use Provoke instead of Shield Lob.

[WellFooled]

That would be horrible advice. Good advice would be to make sure they understand how the ability works, not just some blanket statement of don't use it for pulling. I pull with it all the time to gather up trash and i'm pretty sure I got a handle on tanking in this game.

You're absolutely right. I was paraphrasing the hypothetical conversation. When teaching someone it is obviously a good idea to explain the why behind what you're telling them.

[Tisharu]

Provoke does nothing if others haven't put some enmity on the mob that you are provoking, it's better to use shield lob or tomahawk etc for pulling mobs. because they give enmity. Yup it has a nice range but it also has longer cooldown, you might need it when there's a melee dps surpassing your enmity when they are focusing on just one mob, but then again, it can also be easily prevented without provoke.

That's not true, provoke have a further distance then Shield Lob or Tomahawk. It is also very useful getting mob out of a tight cornor spot where usually Shield Lob and Tomahawk cannot. There are multiple times where provoke follow by a shield lob does the job nicely. I tend to do this a lot pulling mob far away, provoke will have them run to me and then a Shield Lob or Tomahawk does the job nicely.

It is only not useful only if you don't follow it up by another skills.

[Shurrikhan]

Provoke does nothing if others haven't put some enmity on the mob that you are provoking, it's better to use shield lob or tomahawk etc for pulling mobs. because they give enmity. Yup it has a nice range but it also has longer cooldown, you might need it when there's a melee dps surpassing your enmity when they are focusing on just one mob, but then again, it can also be easily prevented without provoke.

I believe it does the same amount as any other action (a flat value [was around 70 at level 50 iirc, so probably a little more than double that now] modifiable by enmity stance)? It may be the one exception to that enmity-per-action (even if no damage/healing dealt) rule though. If you use Provoke and a pop CD while in tank stance, your party casting Eye for an Eye or Regen (or, Goad, Aetherial Manipulation, Warden's Paeon, etc.) on you won't steal threat. The first tick of said Regen almost certainly will though.

[Ashkendor]

I believe it does the same amount as any other action (a flat value [was around 70 at level 50 iirc, so probably a little more than double that now] modifiable by enmity stance)? It may be the one exception to that enmity-per-action (even if no damage/healing dealt) rule though. If you use Provoke and a pop CD while in tank stance, your party casting Eye for an Eye or Regen (or, Goad, Aetherial Manipulation, Warden's Paeon, etc.) on you won't steal threat. The first tick of said Regen almost certainly will though.

I don't think Provoke generates any enmity, period. All it does is put you to the top of the aggro list. If I voke pull something and the healer casts Stone Skin on me before I get to follow up with a Shield Lob, the mob instantly aggros on the healer.