Tank Balance - Thordan EX 7-WAR 1-WHM Clear (Really SE?)

[ArkNova]

Seriously do I play anything but a tank?

Clemency is kind of garbage and Devine veil is kind of garbage, the dev team have already commented on those 2 skill. Only 2 of those jobs get blood bath from cross classing and they only last 15 seconds. And damn son how about you level a real DPS class all you got to show for is 3 lvl 60 tanks go expand your horizon.

[Freyyy]

Clemency is kind of garbage and Devine veil is kind of garbage, the dev team have already commented on those 2 skill. Only 2 of those jobs get blood bath from cross classing and they only last 15 seconds.

Yes. And this only proves our point. WAR doesn't need to be nerfed, PLD needs to be buffed. PLD has garbage skills, you're saying it yourself.

[Exodus_Kenpachi]

Clemency is kind of garbage and Devine veil is kind of garbage, the dev team have already commented on those 2 skill. Only 2 of those jobs get blood bath from cross classing and they only last 15 seconds. And damn son how about you level a real DPS class all you got to show for is 3 lvl 60 tanks go expand your horizon.

I have every class at 50. And a few DPS classes at 60. My main character is on Lamia and due to the server sucking ass for raiding and the transfer locks I created a new account on Gilgamesh.... Thanks for trying to stalk me though.

[ArkNova]

Yes. And this only proves our point. WAR doesn't need to be nerfed, PLD needs to be buffed. PLD has garbage skills, you're saying it yourself.

I don't recall saying warrior needs a nerf but who knows. Yoshi has stated paladin will be the best mitigation tank so maybe he will deliver or his foot will end up in his mouth but there's adjustments that do need to be made to tank dps and that's being addressed in 3.2.

[ArkNova]

Thanks for trying to stalk me though.

Anytime bae <3

[Exodus_Kenpachi]

Im starting to believe that people arguing about that only did Thordan with shitty PUGs.

Most people on the OF arguing in favor of their misinformation ARE the shitty people we get saddled with in PUGs.

[MrTherm]

This thread makes me lul at how many people are butthurt for various reasons. Keep it coming! Im going to get some popcorn!


But yea. 7 of one job with one healer isnt exaclty broken, but it sure is unbalanced.

Could a fleet of PLDs do it? Maybe, but its pretty doubtful. DPS could be an issue. They might spend far to much time uwing clemency to assist with cures and sacrifice to much dps doing so.

Could a fleet of i DRKs do this? Highly doubtful. The only real self heal they have requires -20% dps loss. It would stress the healer out to much.

Could any fleet of strickly DPS jobs do this? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! No.

Could a single tank and fleet of healers do this? Maybe, depends on if they can pass the acc requirement. Err. Wait. Two tanks required. So 6 healers.


So yea. It is a bit unbalanced that WARs can pull things like this off. Broken? Nope. Just balanace issues.

[Exodus_Kenpachi]

Could a fleet of i DRKs do this? Highly doubtful. The only real self heal they have requires -20% dps loss. It would stress the healer out to much.

What? Where are you coming up with a 20% DPS loss lol? Last time I checked DA SE was 400 POT and a very good self heal... Also bloodweapon+bloodbath is no joke...

[Kabooa]

What? Where are you coming up with a 20% DPS loss lol? Last time I checked DA SE was 400 POT and a very good self heal... Also bloodweapon+bloodbath is no joke...

Because it only heals while Grit is on.

Grit is a 20% DPS loss, a combo breaker so you can't weave it, and costs about as much as Dark Arts.

[Duelle]

Warriors defending Warriors. Not surprising. The favored option is always going to be buff DRK and PLD to WAR's level. And then people will want to bitch about how it doesn't matter which tank you bring. They'll all perform the same. And do fine. Damned if you do damned if you don't.

Except it shouldn't matter which tank you bring, as at that point you're bringing the player more than the class. I'm not against varying flavor between jobs, but taking it to extremes (which is reflected in current tank design) does more harm than good in the long run. As I've said in the past, it's only going to get worse when more tanks are added to the roster.

Classes don't need "flaws" they need to lack a utility that another class brings. You keep pushing me to say that PLD needs a DPS buff, which IT DOES NOT. PLD needs a UTILITY buff that allows other party member to output more DPS. Like I said previously, think the BRD of tanks. They could grant healer buffs, grant raidwide shields and mitigation, they could attach a debuff to RA that increases blunt damage and then make shield swipe blunt damage and then BOOM they are MNKs favorite tank. There are a million things that SE could do to make PLDs sought after and personal DPS increase is not one of them.

And what you're suggesting brings problems of their own. The goal is to make the tanks interchangable, not try to make one more sought out than the other. Not to mention any group buffs tread dangerously close to being required, which is also something else we want to avoid.

This isn't like WoW pally blessings that can be covered by the healer and DPS in addition to the tank. You're limiting performance boosts to a tank class. And Royal Authority having a blunt debuff makes absolutely no sense.

Also you do not want tanks to have TOO low DPS because then people won't bring them. This whole "it is expected so therefore it should be" bullshit needs to leave your brain.

Only when the alternative is other tanks that deal more damage or players end up discovering ways of having DPS classes hold aggro and survive mob attacks.