Diadem and Savage - I can't deal with it anymore

[FeliAiko]

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Tells raiders to stop whining (despite conceding their their points are valid), yet goes on to whine about crafting. Smart move there.

Crafted battle gear being nerfed and or/gated was an issue raiders had as well, btw. Plus SE have already said they'd make battle crafted gear more powerful again in 3.2.

[Aarik]

Tells raiders to stop whining (despite conceding their their points are valid), yet goes on to whine about crafting. Smart move there.

Crafted battle gear being nerfed and or/gated was an issue raiders had as well, btw. Plus SE have already said they'd make battle crafted gear more powerful again in 3.2.

Yet you seem to completely skip the part where raiding is still valid and viable, while crafting is far, far beyond an afterthought. As for SE saying they'll make things better in 3.2 for crafters, I'll just leave this little quote here: "While I cannot give a specific date on when personal housing will be implemented, I can say that prices will be completely separate from free company housing, and, naturally, far more affordable." ----- Yoshi-P.

[SchalaZeal]

If they want crafted battle gear to be relevant for 3.2, it'll have to be at least i220, ideally i225 because of the stat weight of secondary stats being crap. This is with a ceiling of i240 upgraded tomes or raid gear. I'd estimate that pentamelded with V tier should be a notch lower than i240 - enough to make it matter. But not so much that the crafted gear is trivial like the i180 was in 3.0.

[FeliAiko]

Yet you seem to completely skip the part where raiding is still valid and viable, while crafting is far, far beyond an afterthought.

I could also argue that crafting is still 'valid and viable' too despite people leaving/giving up on it, like the raiding scene at present, hence you should stop whining.

As for SE saying they'll make things better in 3.2 for crafters, I'll just leave this little quote here: "While I cannot give a specific date on when personal housing will be implemented, I can say that prices will be completely separate from free company housing, and, naturally, far more affordable." ----- Yoshi-P.

Well that's on you whether you want to believe what SE said or not. No concern of mine.

[Aarik]

I could also argue that crafting is still 'valid and viable' too

Oh? Please explain to me how ilvl185 crafted gear, which is the penultimate crafted gear atm, is anywhere NEAR non-upgraded esoterics gear. Trying to compare it to raid gear is beyond laughable. Raid gear is STILL BiS for weapon, and other than the lucky SoB's who get those stupidly good diadem rolls, it's still the BiS there as well. Furthermore, the cycle has always done this; raid release, and the gear is ALWAYS the BiS, then the next patch comes, and typically the armor/accessories of upgraded tomestone gear catches up, with the exception of weapons. Eventually, these too are equalized. Soon after, the next big patch hits with a new raid and you're BiS all over again. So despite your argument and diadem's odd system, raiding is ALWAYS viable. I ask you once again, please tell me how ilvl185, non-meldable gear is viable.

[SchalaZeal]

Oh? Please explain to me how ilvl185 crafted gear, which is the penultimate crafted gear atm

i185 was never meant to be the top ilv combat gear, unless all you're seeking is avg ilv. Melded i180 should be superior to unmeldable i185. i185 was meant as a cheaper version to spiritbond easier and have a source of V materia (but apparently not for crafters or gatherers).

Whereas i180 was costing 50 million for a set of 6 leftside pieces before, now it might be 10-15 million because of lower red scrip mat cost. i185 costs as little as 300k a piece, or 1.7 million for a set of 5 (no belt). Let's say crafters take their cut and double the price, 4 million.

[FeliAiko]

Oh? Please explain to me how ilvl185 crafted gear, which is the penultimate crafted gear atm, is anywhere NEAR non-upgraded esoterics gear. Trying to compare it to raid gear is beyond laughable. Raid gear is STILL BiS for weapon, and other than the lucky SoB's who get those stupidly good diadem rolls, it's still the BiS there as well. Furthermore, the cycle has always done this; raid release, and the gear is ALWAYS the BiS, then the next patch comes, and typically the armor/accessories of upgraded tomestone gear catches up, with the exception of weapons. Eventually, these too are equalized. Soon after, the next big patch hits with a new raid and you're BiS all over again. So despite your argument and diadem's odd system, raiding is ALWAYS viable. I ask you once again, please tell me how ilvl185, non-meldable gear is viable.

Never said anything about the gear itself being valid. The point is that you can still make money from crafting, hence still viable.

[SchalaZeal]

The point is that you can still make money from crafting, hence still viable.

Money used to buy expensive minions, expensive glamours, possible housing (but there ain't any), gearing your crafter (which is pretty expensive)...but not much else. I guess you could buy carry runs in Thordan EX. I've seen one in PF today.

[Aarik]

Never said anything about the gear itself being valid. The point is that you can still make money from crafting, hence still viable.

Despite what many seem to believe, not all crafters are crafters so they can swim in piles of gold in their solitary manor. What I, and many other crafters, enjoyed was being able to make viable gear/food/potions ect. for ourselves and our friends/fc members. The best I can do right now is craft HQ ilvl180 melded gear since as Schala recently stated, it is superior to the ilvl185. Only problem is not only is it utter garbage, it'll also completely break my bank to make one set. Point is, you can make money crafting level 50 food if you want; that doesn't make crafting viable. That just makes it profitable; and not all crafters are in it just for the money; that's a bad assumption to make.

[FeliAiko]

Despite what many seem to believe, not all crafters are crafters so they can swim in piles of gold in their solitary manor.

Despite what many seem to believe, not all raiders are raiders so that they can AFK in Idylshire with full Gordian gear.

What I, and many other crafters, enjoyed was being able to make viable gear/food/potions ect. for ourselves and our friends/fc members. The best I can do right now is craft HQ ilvl180 melded gear since as Schala recently stated, it is superior to the ilvl185. Only problem is not only is it utter garbage, it'll also completely break my bank to make one set. Point is, you can make money crafting level 50 food if you want; that doesn't make crafting viable. That just makes it profitable; and not all crafters are in it just for the money; that's a bad assumption to make.

Same way not all raiders are in it just for the gear, yet you say they shouldn't complain about the content because 'at least they still get gear'.