Midgardsormrs children question... (post-HW so thread may contain spoilers)

[Viridiana]

That dragon is dead. That's why I said it's Vishap.

And you think they transported his body from the Steps of Faith to Coerthas Western Highlands and then chained him up because. . .?

[Bloody]

The chained and frozen dragon looks similar to Vishap, but slightly different if you compare them. It is isolated in a hidden place in Red Rim, and it definitely doesn't slain to me, it looks imprisoned. I'll take a better picture to show what I mean. It also seems to have both eyes which are a dull red, but it is hard to tell in blizzard weather. Coords are 19,26.

Our frozen friend:


Vishap:


Notice how Vishap is bulkier and quite possibly a bit larger than the other. I easily fit frosty into my camera for a picture, fitting all of Vishap from right next to him is pretty darn hard if not impossible. This mystery will probably end up being covered within the 3.X storyline, or it's just a total lorebomb we are getting teased with. Could it be a progenitor or kin of Vishap? definitely. It looks a lot like a smaller, frozen version of him.

[myahele]

And you think they transported his body from the Steps of Faith to Coerthas Western Highlands and then chained him up because. . .?

Cruelty and psychological warfare. Vishap was Nidhogg's champion and to see him/her chained up like that will distress other dragons. If you did some of the side quests in in the Convictory we find out that dragons do at least try to take their dead and have mourning rituals.

Even if it's not Vishap, it could be a Vishap-like dragon they managed to defeat not too long ago

[YGSLlew]

As for the theory that Shinryu is one of the seven, I am sorry to disappoint you.

If you select japanese language, you'll see, that Alphinaud and Estinien are calling Hraesvelgr Shinryu, while Ysaille is calling him Hraesvelgr, so it seems that the common name for most people in the japanese version is Shinryu while he is called Hraesvelgr for the Ishgardians and especially the people in Dravania.

Do it, select japanese voices and watch the cutscene where Iceheart, Alphinaud, Estinien and the WoL are talking to Hraesvelgr for the first time.

[Glenda]

As for the theory that Shinryu is one of the seven, I am sorry to disappoint you.

If you select japanese language, you'll see, that Alphinaud and Estinien are calling Hraesvelgr Shinryu, while Ysaille is calling him Hraesvelgr, so it seems that the common name for most people in the japanese version is Shinryu while he is called Hraesvelgr for the Ishgardians and especially the people in Dravania.

Do it, select japanese voices and watch the cutscene where Iceheart, Alphinaud, Estinien and the WoL are talking to Hraesvelgr for the first time.

This is incorrect. What they actually say is not "Shinryu" 神竜 but "Seiryu"　聖竜　which means "Holy Dragon". This is just their way to address Hraesvelgr with respect, same as calling a King "Your Majesty" instead of saying his name.


As for the possible names of the remaining two great wyrms, we know that all the dragons that settled in Eorzea have old norse names, while those who went to Meracydia (Bahamut and Tiamat) have names that come from middle eastern mythology. If this isn't just a coincidence it is well possible that one Dragon went to the Othard Continent, in which case "Shinryu" would be probably his\her name.

[Rashammel]

This is my guess on who are the other two,
Dawn Father and Dusk Mother.

[myahele]

Would not surprise me if they decided Eorzean
Dragons = Nordic names
Meracydian = Arabic names
Othardian = Asian/Japanese names

[Khyzen]

Something possibly new to add to the discussion... in 3.1 new sightseeing log entries were added, including one for The Cathedral in Azys Lla. The description reads as such;

The Cathedral
A cathedral designed in a distinct Meracydian style. The architecture suggests a place of worship by a tribe of treelike beings who believed themselves 'remnants' of Sephirot. To research the link between faith and primal summoning, the Allags moved the ancient structure to Azys Lla from its original location on the southern continent.

Given that the structure is Meracydian, what if Sephirot is actually one of Midgardsormr's seven brood? We already have evidence of the firstbrood being worshipped in the past with Bahamut, and the moogles in the Churning Mists are practically willing servants/guardians for Hraesvelgr. The "tribe of treelike" beings could be something similar.

[Daenarys_Targaryen]

That description sounds like its pointing to the Warring Triad in Azys Lla. I could very well be wrong just a guess, but sounds like that the "ancient structure".

[Khyzen]

That description sounds like its pointing to the Warring Triad in Azys Lla. I could very well be wrong just a guess, but sounds like that the "ancient structure".

Nah, it's a Sightseeing Log entry (#62) for The Cathedral, found at x24, y28, which is the "ancient structure" being referred to. It could definitely just be an offhand FF7 reference, or possibly some other kind of Mercydian god or primal. Or, you know... could be a one-winged dragon.