Tank DPS in casual content?

[Riki_Namu]

I find it almost laughable that the hardest jobs to play in the game with the most responsibility are expected by the community to put out DD numbers or they are considered not great. Only in FFXIV do you see crap like that. Oh what you were 4th on the parse... bad tank cant believe you couldn't tank this and do the top damage against jobs specifically meant to dole out DPS lol.

[Ashkendor]

I find it almost laughable that the hardest jobs to play in the game with the most responsibility are expected by the community to put out DD numbers or they are considered not great. Only in FFXIV do you see crap like that. Oh what you were 4th on the parse... bad tank cant believe you couldn't tank this and do the top damage against jobs specifically meant to dole out DPS lol.

Tank isn't exactly hard to play on FFXIV. Enmity, by and large, takes care of itself as long as you've got at least decent gear and you're doing a proper rotation. I think you're overstating how most people feel about tanks DPS'ing, though. We aren't expected to out-DPS the actual DD's. Good DPS basically is the difference between "This tank isn't half bad," and "This tank #*$&ing rocks."

[Launched]

I find it almost laughable that the hardest jobs to play in the game with the most responsibility are expected by the community to put out DD numbers or they are considered not great.

In what universe is FFXIV tanking or healing hard in any way, or full of responsibility? The tanking and healing mechanics are so simple that 90% of the time, if you only focus on holding aggro or healing, you're simply being lazy. It's like a DRG that spams its True Thrust combo, or a BLM that doesn't use Enochian, or a BRD that only uses Heavy Shot: it gets the job done but you're contributing less than half of what you actually could.

That doesn't mean you should be ending a boss fight with 1.2k dps, but if you only ever just stay in tank stance and use your enmity combo (or spam Cure on a healer) you're not playing your job properly.

[Riki_Namu]

In what universe is FFXIV tanking or healing hard in any way, or full of responsibility? The tanking and healing mechanics are so simple that 90% of the time, if you only focus on holding aggro or healing, you're simply being lazy. It's like a DRG that spams its True Thrust combo, or a BLM that doesn't use Enochian, or a BRD that only uses Heavy Shot: it gets the job done but you're contributing less than half of what you actually could.

That doesn't mean you should be ending a boss fight with 1.2k dps, but if you only ever just stay in tank stance and use your enmity combo (or spam Cure on a healer) you're not playing your job properly.

You're right its not hard. But its defiantly harder and more responsibility to tank and put out high dps than it is to just dps and not get hit by mechanic damage. But lets argue about a invisible measure of difficulty based on opinion, that seems legit right?

[Februs]

I find it almost laughable that the hardest jobs to play in the game with the most responsibility are expected by the community to put out DD numbers or they are considered not great. Only in FFXIV do you see crap like that. Oh what you were 4th on the parse... bad tank cant believe you couldn't tank this and do the top damage against jobs specifically meant to dole out DPS lol.

For me, it's more an issue of: "What now?"

I mean, once you know how to hold enmity there's really no getting better at it. Dungeons don't change or rearrange themselves. Mitigation can sometimes be a little more dynamic (unexpected stuff happens), but it usually gets fairly routine in casual content... so... Dps. That's really the only thing left to do. The only way for a tank to actively "improve" themselves and have more fun with their job is to try and learn their job inside and out, and that means learning how to maximize their Dps while doing all of the other things they are supposed to do.

Not all tanks do it, mind you, and I don't think many people gripe about it. Some people only moonlight as tanks, and others might main it but be very casual (a more "enmity is my home" type of attitude), but if you Main your tank, you enjoy the job, you go out of your way to learn how to tank all the casual dungeons, then it kind of makes sense that the next step would be pushing yourself. Otherwise it would get routine and boring.

[Riki_Namu]

For me, it's more an issue of: "What now?"
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I agree with you. But what im seeing more and more is people setting dps expectations for tanks. If they aren't meeting some number that the other dps think they should be meeting. Their dps is by no means bad but just not up to par with what the others think it should be.

At that point its a wtf moment and no longer a what now but a are you kidding me? Though alot of that comes from getting stuck with some kids that think they are gods gift to this game.

Alot of that comes from talks in these forums and others where you have some fully geared tank spouting off about how a tank isn't good unless he can do 1.2k dps or something like that. Then you get a ripple effect of expectations of people that have read those discussions.