Regarding the Localization of Haurchefant in the EN/FR/DE Versions of FFXIV

[Chasely]

So you say that the quests with those characters were optional, and I could've just ignored them if I wouldn't feel like it, right?
In the FFXIV MSQ, however, I would have to 'endure' the musings of JP Hauchefaunt or else I end up stuck in my progress.



No one was accusing that EN HF is superior, he was just made more adequate and acceptable for the western audience. Which worked.

Actually, the date, and the fem male NPC were not optional. They were part of the main story. I listed a single optional quest.

[Arrius]

Actually, the date, and the fem male NPC were not optional. They were part of the main story. I listed a single optional quest.

Ah, my bad.

[Chasely]

He still hits on you in the English, French, and German version.

Let's not forget they were changes he was forced to make, or lose his job. He made Haurchefant a boring, forgettable character on purpose. yoshi-P and the Japanese team told him to fix him.

Also, those characters are idealized versions of the male figure as MEN see them. they're what the media tells men to aspire to be, not what most women find particularly attracitve. Just look at their faces. they're not handsome at all. Most Highlander hyur males have rather trollish appearances.

[Mimilu]

...They really should have locked this thread after posting it... >w>

[Emmanellain]

Let's not forget they were changes he was forced to make, or lose his job. He made Haurchefant a boring, forgettable character on purpose. yoshi-P and the Japanese team told him to fix him.

Also, those characters are idealized versions of the male figure as MEN see them. they're what the media tells men to aspire to be, not what most women find particularly attracitve. Just look at their faces. they're not handsome at all. Most Highlander hyur males have rather trollish appearances.

I'm just gonna stop replying to you here, I'm tired and done. Let people be happy with the EN version and give their thanks to the devs for their hard work. Hopefully the negative posts will be drowned out by more positive posts/Haurchefant tributes because frankly this thread was nice before it became.. well this.
I will not sit here and waste my time discussing media and attractiveness, and I cannot speak for the dev as i do not know of his situation. All we know is we got a genuine apology and explanation to something people had been pondering on. That is all.

[Kaiser-Ace]

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The camaraderie I felt with Lord H via his Dialog actually made me, the player, want revenge for his death due to how likable he was.

Though I'll admit the..... Interesting Variant, that the Japanese script had would have been interesting and was by no means poorly written, I'm just not as sure if it'd have the same impact as the "brother in arms" archtype that the EN Localization depicted him as.

Either way though, I always appreciate the work you devs put into the game. Even the parts I don't care for as much as others. You can't please everyone but sure try to please as many as possible. And this was just an unfortunate side effect of that diligence.

[Ghastly]

I just want the localization team to know that we want the Japanese meanings as they are, it's how it's intended. I know you need your job so you have to "prove" you're doing something. But this doesn't reflect what your customers want, the controversy shows that we don't want these changes.

[Chasely]

People also don't seem to realize he didn't jsut change one character's personality. he changed multiple major characters' personalities entirely. He completely altered entire questlines and he changed the game's lore. This wasn't some small thing. This was huge. If it hadn't been, Yoshi-P would not have called him out, and he would not have posted this letter.

[Dualblade]

I just want the localization team to know that we want the Japanese meanings as they are, it's how it's intended. I know you need your job so you have to "prove" you're doing something. But this doesn't reflect what your customers want, the controversy shows that we don't want these changes.

People also don't seem to realize he didn't jsut change one character's personality. he changed multiple major characters' personalities entirely. He completely altered entire questlines and he changed the game's lore. This wasn't some small thing. This was huge. If it hadn't been, Yoshi-P would not have called him out, and he would not have posted this letter.

Both of these are understandable yes, and I would like to see the script, going forward, be closer to the JP one...HOWEVER, just because a character is changed doesn't automatically mean things are absolutely ruined. Take Kefka for example...the way he was written in Japan was considered bland and he isn't popular, yet in NA (atleast in the US) the changes made to his character has made him one of the most loved villians in the franchise.

Again GOING FORWARD it'll be good/nice to see the scripts being closer together, but changes between versions IS NOT A BAD THING.

[ZQ875456]

The problem here isn't Haurchefant himself but it was CHANGED without consulting Yoshi-P/Japan team first. So whether you like the English Haurchefant or not is irrelevant. The process was wrong, unprofessional, and could've been prevented.

A similar situation I can think of is when Dragonball Z first came over to the states in the 90's, where the localization team literally changed everything to try to adhere to a certain audience. Over time they redubbed the lines to match the original version, because the difference in lore changes had the fanbase fighting each other on what was canon, so this seems to be an unfortunate trend with English localization teams.

Not only is this disrespectful to the writers and developers, it's a huge slap in the face to fans who want an AUTHENTIC FFXIV experience. You failed to deliver that for them.