Tank Balance - Thordan EX 7-WAR 1-WHM Clear (Really SE?)

[Reynhart]

I am failing to see the issue... Thordan has VERY easy DPS checks....

The issue is that DPS checks have nothing to do with it
1st video, 7 tanks, one healer : Fight starts at 35:28 on the timer, and ends at 26:13, for a total of 9m15s
2nd video, the usual 2/2/4 setup : Fight starts at 51:18 and ends at 42:07, for a total of 9m11s

So, the 7WAR party is not doing "less but enough DPS", they're actually killing it as fast as the usual setup. Judging by the HP number, I don't think there's a real gap in gear, and we're talking about Elysium in the 2nd video, so I'm pretty sure they're not "half assed" players.

There's definitely a problem.

[Syzygian]

The issue is that DPS checks have nothing to do with it
1st video, 7 tanks, one healer : Fight starts at 35:28 on the timer, and ends at 26:13, for a total of 9m15s
2nd video, the usual 2/2/4 setup : Fight starts at 51:18 and ends at 42:07, for a total of 9m11s

So, the 7WAR party is not doing "less but enough DPS", they're actually killing it as fast as the usual setup. Judging by the HP number, I don't think there's a real gap in gear, and we're talking about Elysium, so I'm pretty sure they're not "half assed" players.

There's definitely a problem.

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[Launched]

There's definitely a problem.

No, there's definitely a big difference between a first clear 2 weeks ago and a clear after 2 weeks of practice. My group clears it faster than the 7 WARs. The fastest group on fflogs was almost an entire minute faster: http://www.fflogs.com/reports/k4fCnV...pe=damage-done

[Reynhart]

No, there's definitely a big difference between a first clear 2 weeks ago and a clear after 2 weeks of practice. My group clears it faster than the 7 WARs. The fastest group on fflogs was almost an entire minute faster: http://www.fflogs.com/reports/k4fCnV...pe=damage-done

Do you know anything about the gear of the fastest group ?

And, no, there's not a big difference. Thordan is a mechanic heavy fight, so, once you manage all of them, there's nothing preventing you from doing top DPS. And there's no big mess in the Elysium video to explain why they couldn't kill it faster.
Again, judging by the HP numbers, I doubt that the WARs have really better gear too.

[Launched]

Do you know anything about the gear of the fastest group ?

And, no, there's not a big difference. Thordan is a mechanic heavy fight, so, once you manage all of them, there's nothing preventing you from doing top DPS. And there's no big mess in the Elysium video to explain why they couldn't kill it faster.
Again, judging by the HP numbers, I doubt that the WARs have really better gear too.

Nothing to do with gear, everything to do with practice. A first clear goes nothing like one two weeks later when you know exactly how the fight goes. A whole minute absolutely is a big difference, especially when a lot of the earlier parts of the fight are waiting for mechanics. You might not think 8m vs 9m is a big difference, but in actual time DPSing properly it's more like 5m vs 6m, meaning the 6m clear took 20% longer.

[Reynhart]

Nothing to do with gear, everything to do with practice. A first clear goes nothing like one two weeks later when you know exactly how the fight goes. A whole minute absolutely is a big difference, especially when a lot of the earlier parts of the fight are waiting for mechanics. You might not think 8m vs 9m is a big difference, but in actual time DPSing properly it's more like 5m vs 6m, meaning the 6m clear took 20% longer.

So, what about this one ?
26:00 -> 16:46 = 9m14s

Long before 7 war-anything was a thing, people were doing 7-sch 1-tank in scob. Lets nerf sch!!!

Example ?

[Launched]

So, what about this one ?
26:00 -> 16:46 = 9m14s

What about it? Same time as 7 practiced WARs, even though they had 5 people new (and 2 healers, not 1). I fail to see how this makes WAR OP.

[Reynhart]

What about it? Same time as 7 practiced WARs, even though they had 5 people new (and 2 healers, not 1). I fail to see how this makes WAR OP.

Another one, no new player, 9m3s clear.

[Raxiaz]

What about it? Same time as 7 practiced WARs, even though they had 5 people new (and 2 healers, not 1). I fail to see how this makes WAR OP.

Get glasses. For a fight that's supposed to be on-par with raids, Thordan EX to be downed by 7 WARs and 1 WHM is just sad, and shows a lack of balance between the classes.

Why even bring DPS when WARs can do the same DPS more often than not, AND have more HP?

[Syzygian]

So, what about this one ?
26:00 -> 16:46 = 9m14s

Example ?

Im on my phone but you can search 7-sch 1-war t9 on youtube and see for yourself.

Edit: off phone now, here ya go: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vlW1kZ-Nwdg