Are my mitigation numbers off ?

[Giantbane]

Some kind of Divine Veil counterpart...OR, maybe Divine Veil effect could change wether you use Shield Oath or Sword Oath...

I wish flash had blind on it baseline so it was a more meaningful cross class ability.

And I wish the PLD flash talent applied a debuff that increased damage (or at least magic damage) to the target for the next 5-10seconds. Would help lagging PLD aoe DPS without just giving them a straight AoE DPS move.

[Februs]

I wish flash had blind on it baseline so it was a more meaningful cross class ability.

And I wish the PLD flash talent applied a debuff that increased damage (or at least magic damage) to the target for the next 5-10seconds. Would help lagging PLD aoe DPS without just giving them a straight AoE DPS move.

Neither of these would be effective for actual Tanking...

If Flash bound its targets, positioning them accordingly would be extremely difficult. Tank's have to think about that kind of thing. If i'm doing a stretch or drag pull, Flash would stop me dead in my tracks. If I wanted to keep Mob Aoe's away from the party, Flash would stop me from doing that. Given that Flash is the only AoE way a Pld can fast grab group enmity, this would be terrible for them.

The debuff wold be bad too, especially for casters. It sounds like a really good idea at first, but, again, it wouldn't work for a tank. The whole point of Flash is to hold aggro. If it applied a Debuff that allowed AoE casters to do more dmg, Pld's would be risking increasing the enmity of their party more than their own. It would be like applying the effect of overhealing to your casters. Pld's already have a hard enough time holding mob enmity (weakest enmity multiplier and zero aoe dmg), doing this would only make it worse.

[Giantbane]

Verdict: Was taking Shield Swipe off of the GCD a "good" change? In short, no.

If there was a problem, it's that there weren't more adjustments. Specifically to other abilities to deal with PLD shortcomings in terms of TP and threat.

Neither of these would be effective for actual Tanking...

If Flash bound its targets..

The whole point of Flash is to hold aggro....

BLIND

All the casters have access to moves to control enmity. If they use them appropriately, there shouldn't be an issue regardless of who is tanking.

[Februs]

If there was a problem, it's that there weren't more adjustments. Specifically to other abilities to deal with PLD shortcomings in terms of TP and threat.

That doesn't change that it is currently a bad change to Pld's and can actually be considered a nerf in terms of everyday mob tanking... and, quite frankly, I don't think it's likely that they will make the changes that would be required to restore balance.The only 3 that I can even think of off of the top of my head are: 1. Increased Enmity gen off of RoH. 2. Shorter CoS CD and increased enmity gen, or 3. make flash do dmg. 1. Might be viable if Tp consumption wasn't such a nightmare. 2. Seems okay, but they could have done this at any time over the last year and have refused to, and 3... well, 3 is just straight up unlikely due to the fact that it's a cross class skill.

BLIND

Oh jeez. Speaking of blind, apparently I am XD. Sorry about that. I don't have any problem with Blind being cross class effect... But I don't think it would really make a difference. The diminishing returns on Blind would be the same, and it's hardly a noticeable effect when Pld's use it, so, really, take it or leave it. Casters would probably get more use out of it than Plds do (all the power to them), but I don't see it making enough of a difference to warrant anyone changing their cross class skills for it.

All the casters have access to moves to control enmity. If they use them appropriately, there shouldn't be an issue regardless of who is tanking.

That is fine and dandy on paper, but it makes no difference in practice. Casters already have the ability to control their enmity right now, but they can still steal hate easily enough off of Plds. Even as small a difference as 10 item levels can crush a Pld's underwhelming enmity over AoE spamming Dps. If they can steal hate with nerfs to their own enmity, giving them a buff would make it all that much easier.

Now, I'm not saying that it's a bad idea outright. I'd be fine with it, but not with the current state of Pld. Right now, they just don't have enough enmity to warrant making this viable. Pld's already have enough things that force them to over-use Flash to hold hate. Buffing caster dmg without giving Pld's a way to compensate would only make this worse.