Regarding healers acting as DPS

[NamoNanamo]

Well reducing 33% of the time needed to do a dungeon is a really big difference.

Well, if you are reducing the time by 10 min, you party is shit and they didn't deserve my dps as whm. They are lucky enough that I don't let them die. Last time I did fractal with a new friends tank, I did the most damage, by far. Dps are often too lazy/unskill/ignorant to do their job and some are slacking cause "they don't care", the tank/healer will do the most damage of the dungeon.
30 min for a dungeon ? Dps need to learn how to dps before crying about the healer. I'm sure they will take mass damage, no dodging aoe, with get stack that power up the damage taken and fuck up mechanic.
You want healer to dps ? I'm ok but before, I want my dps/tank (in duty finder) to do their job and using all their cd. And I'm sure, I will never ever dps in dungeon cause I've never seen that in Df.

Of course, not all the dps are like that. But with my experience in df, I often finish first or second. If your dungeon is slow, that's not because your healer are not dpsing, it's because the dps are sleeping.

[SulwynCaliope]

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Agreeing with you completely. To reduce dungeon run times by 33% means either the DPS all suck or healer DPS is WAY overtuned. And as I said before, I can barely imagine WHM shaving 10 mins off a dungeon run through holy spam. People forget that WHM isn't the only healing class in this game. I highly doubt SCH and AST can shave nearly as much time off the dungeon timer as a holy spamming WHM. If your dungeon run is slow, yell at the sucky DPS and not the healer.

[Blessedbythesun]

Thank you. Here a snip from a thread about SCH dps.

I really want to agree with this, I do. Healer DPS on trash mobs will probably shave seconds off the end time, and minutes off the end time if there is enough DPS from the healer going in on the boss. But I have NEVER heard of healers lack of or even minimal effort towards DPSing becoming a sole reason or even part of a reason why a dungeon wasn't cleared fast enough or cleared way too slowly.

[Leigaon]

It was then that I had been dismissed from the party. Without a single word spoken by the other party members letting me know I'd done something wrong to them.

I can only be 100% certain I had been kicked because they did not trust my ability as a healer.

I think, from what you described, you are looking a bit too much into this. There's plenty reasons I've had seen people kick others in these situations.

Your primary job is to keep the party alive, you DPS'ing just helps things move faster. If the tank died during this then that's one thing. If the tank was not comfortable with it he should have said something. I've seen people kick others for going a head of them. Now I'm not saying you were in the wrong but there's other things to consider other than you weren't healing to their satisfaction.

I think you did fine. I've been in that situation and I'll analyze it, in the end if I see nothing I did wrong then it was a personal choice of the group and I move on. You can't please the touchy ones. They may of kicked you because they had a low level healer friend who wanted in. You pulled ahead, or you made the tank feel uncomfortable. None of this was communicated with you so..no harm done. Pull out the cards and keep on truckin'

[MistakeNot]

Well reducing 33% of the time needed to do a dungeon is a really big difference.

Not quite that big in my opinion, but either way not big enough to be worth worrying about - especially not when those 33% translate to a mere 10 minutes.

[DubiousDisk]

Not quite that big in my opinion, but either way not big enough to be worth worrying about - especially not when those 33% translate to a mere 10 minutes.

10 minutes is a lot of time, especially in those incredibly long end game dungeons.

.....Like Fractal

[cgbspender]

Oh yeah, fractal is difficult. Please nerf...

[DubiousDisk]

Oh yeah, fractal is difficult. Please nerf...

Didn't say or imply that it was difficult, just that it took a while.

Comprehension where

EDIT: Actually....nobody here implied that.

[Vnecat]

Though I'm usually the healer, I took to leveling a Black Mage recently and had an interesting experience with a party's White Mage in the Duty Finder. Whilst the healer did keep everyone alive throughout the run, he often left the healing until the tank had around 70 - 100 HP remaining so he could instead focus on DPS'ing. In all fairness, I can't criticise his ability to heal because he was obviously paying attention to everyone's life bars and kept everyone alive in the end, but leaving it so close made me feel very uncomfortable and anxious. I feel a healer's job should be healing first and THEN DPS'ing, not the other way around. If everyone's topped up, I see no reason not to help out with damage. It beats just standing there like a lost sheep.

In your case however, I think you're fine. It sounds like you just had a bad group. It does happen sometimes, unfortunately. Everyone plays differently and if you're enjoying doing it as you are, don't let anyone bring you down!

[cgbspender]

Of course, not all the dps are like that. But with my experience in df, I often finish first or second.

You really need to teach me how to do that. No matter how hard I push my dps, I never even come close.