Regarding healers acting as DPS

[Blessedbythesun]

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You don't understand because you are making assumptions and disingenuous assertions. My point of view is an opinion that is meant for people to enjoy playing the game at the end of the day. I am an endgame SCH, I personally DPS plenty, but because I want to. Not out of necessity.

What is killing me is just months ago in 2.0 to the end, everything was so methodical and healing intensive, that healing DPS was kept at the minimal or not required at all to make sure we concentrated on dealing with the mechanics and unavoidable damage every step of the way.

Now that everything is a DPS check lately, it went from healer overall party DPS to DPS now or you suck, even if they are half assing it just so players like you would consider them "good".

[Immut]

You don't understand because you are making assumptions and disingenuous assertions. My point of view is an opinion that is meant for people to enjoy playing the game at the end of the day. I am an endgame SCH, I personally DPS plenty, but because I want to. Not out of necessity.

What is killing me is just months ago in 2.0 to the end, everything was so methodical and healing intensive, that healing DPS was kept at the minimal or not required at all to make sure we concentrated on dealing with the mechanics and unavoidable damage every step of the way.

Now that everything is a DPS check lately, it went from healer overall party DPS to DPS now or you suck, even if they are half assing it just so players like you would consider them "good".

Right that's why the goal was always to single tank and single heal all progression content. You didn't have it on farm until you had 6 dps.


When the difference between a healer dpsing and a healer standing there doing nothing is nearly 10 minutes in a dungeon that only takes half an hour if you're absolute trash, yes I'm going to expect you to DPS.

[SulwynCaliope]

Right that's why the goal was always to single tank and single heal all progression content. You didn't have it on farm until you had 6 dps.


When the difference between a healer dpsing and a healer standing there doing nothing is nearly 10 minutes in a dungeon that only takes half an hour if you're absolute trash, yes I'm going to expect you to DPS.

I seriously think people over estimate how much time healer DPS shaves off dungeon clear time. Maybe if the tank is mass pulling and the WHM is holying + keeping the tank alive like a boss, then sure you can save maybe 10 minutes of your time. But most healers can't even come close to accomplishing a feat like that. Either the tank ends up dying and you waste more time or the healer doesn't have time to cleric stance at all, save the first few seconds of the fight, because he/ she is trying to keep the tank alive.

[MistakeNot]

When the difference between a healer dpsing and a healer standing there doing nothing is nearly 10 minutes in a dungeon that only takes half an hour if you're absolute trash, yes I'm going to expect you to DPS.

Why? I mean, 20 minutes vs 30 minutes for a dungeon run is not enough of a difference to be worth caring about.

[AlphaSonic]

Why? I mean, 20 minutes vs 30 minutes for a dungeon run is not enough of a difference to be worth caring about.

Well reducing 33% of the time needed to do a dungeon is a really big difference.

[NamoNanamo]

Well reducing 33% of the time needed to do a dungeon is a really big difference.

Well, if you are reducing the time by 10 min, you party is shit and they didn't deserve my dps as whm. They are lucky enough that I don't let them die. Last time I did fractal with a new friends tank, I did the most damage, by far. Dps are often too lazy/unskill/ignorant to do their job and some are slacking cause "they don't care", the tank/healer will do the most damage of the dungeon.
30 min for a dungeon ? Dps need to learn how to dps before crying about the healer. I'm sure they will take mass damage, no dodging aoe, with get stack that power up the damage taken and fuck up mechanic.
You want healer to dps ? I'm ok but before, I want my dps/tank (in duty finder) to do their job and using all their cd. And I'm sure, I will never ever dps in dungeon cause I've never seen that in Df.

Of course, not all the dps are like that. But with my experience in df, I often finish first or second. If your dungeon is slow, that's not because your healer are not dpsing, it's because the dps are sleeping.

[SulwynCaliope]

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Agreeing with you completely. To reduce dungeon run times by 33% means either the DPS all suck or healer DPS is WAY overtuned. And as I said before, I can barely imagine WHM shaving 10 mins off a dungeon run through holy spam. People forget that WHM isn't the only healing class in this game. I highly doubt SCH and AST can shave nearly as much time off the dungeon timer as a holy spamming WHM. If your dungeon run is slow, yell at the sucky DPS and not the healer.

[cgbspender]

Of course, not all the dps are like that. But with my experience in df, I often finish first or second.

You really need to teach me how to do that. No matter how hard I push my dps, I never even come close.

[NamoNanamo]

You really need to teach me how to do that. No matter how hard I push my dps, I never even come close.

Often, you will see a lot of ppl with a low Ilvl. (I'm 208 and Thordan weapon now)
You just need to use all your cd (Bene/pom/regen/switfcast/assize/asylum etc) and spam Holy/stone 3/aero and keep an eye for your mana.
I'm sure I can do 800 dps now, maybe more.

[MistakeNot]

Well reducing 33% of the time needed to do a dungeon is a really big difference.

Not quite that big in my opinion, but either way not big enough to be worth worrying about - especially not when those 33% translate to a mere 10 minutes.