Verminion Penalty for Tutorial ?

[Dotsusama]

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Gambling is always high risk, high reward. You are just as likely to lose 492 MGP doing mini cactpot as you are to win 29,400 MGP. (Getting 3x 36 rewards versus 3x 10k, minus the 600 you always spend for three rounds.)

If you want to earn MGP via LoVM you need to only worry about the tournament. It's not going to be a viable alternative to, say, grinding MGP via TT.

[PotatoTree]

Gambling is always high risk, high reward. You are just as likely to lose 492 MGP doing mini cactpot as you are to win 29,400 MGP. (Getting 3x 36 rewards versus 3x 10k, minus the 600 you always spend for three rounds.)

That is not true. As I said earlier, the expected value is 1485 MGP per match with perfect play. Getting 3x36 does not have the same probability at all as 3x10k.

[Dotsusama]

That is not true. As I said earlier, the expected value is 1485 MGP per match with perfect play. Getting 3x36 does not have the same probability at all as 3x10k.

You're not comparing poker to blackjack, here. You're comparing whack-a-mole to slots....

[PotatoTree]

You're not comparing poker to blackjack, here. You're comparing whack-a-mole to slots....

Uh no? I'm just giving you the stats.

[Dotsusama]

Uh no? I'm just giving you the stats.

But it's meaningless because it's not a direct comparison. Nothing about playing LoVM locks you out of earning money through the Mini Cactpot because you can gamble for one minute and then go play however many matches you want. You can also stop and play GATEs too, but I don't see anyone giving expected payouts of When the Wind Blows.

The MGP earnings from LoVM is the least of its problems. I guess I just don't understand why you're comparing it to Mini Cactpot.

[PotatoTree]

The MGP earnings from LoVM is the least of its problems. I guess I just don't understand why you're comparing it to Mini Cactpot.

The comparison is there because if you're farming for MGP, it's much much much easier to do the mini cactpot everyday than to do LoV.

Obviously, if you need MGP right now and you can't wait, you'd do the cactpot then grind on something like TT or LoV.

[HaelseMikiro]

The comparison is there because if you're farming for MGP, it's much much much easier to do the mini cactpot everyday than to do LoV.
Obviously, if you need MGP right now and you can't wait, you'd do the cactpot then grind on something like TT or LoV.

I couldn't possibly grind LoV for MGP. Malboro server is...well, last week during the very first tournament I sat in Chocobo Square for over 1 hour queued up for a tournament match. No one goes there, no one cares. At least Chocobo racing was thriving for a few months when it came out, but chocobo racing also didn't have to compete with Diadem farming I suppose, lol.

On topic though, I 100% approve of Data Center matching for LoV tournaments, and maybe while we're add it add that functionality to chocobo races, it's far too boring racing 7 NPCs 90% of the time

[IceyWeiner]

All I have to say is this; Fifth maintenance in two weeks! This "was" probably a good idea at the time of its conception in a board meeting but now it has literally become a waste of almost everyones time and money! Not only do we pay MPG to do the challenges but we also pay actually god damn money to play this game! I find it ridicules and asinine that the development team wants to waste the time we pay for yo fix a "mini-game" that will die out within the span of a month or at the most, two. This is a minor problem that has lead to a very un-needed and abysmal 5 hour maintenance window where all players cannot do anything in the game whatsoever. I'm absolutely positive someone had good intentions with this maintenance but....ITS JUST A MINI GAME!! One that will become as irrelevant as chocobo racing with the passing time.

[PotatoTree]

I complained a bunch about the tournaments and while I appreciate them for trying to respond quickly, I think this is doing more harm than good. This 30 point bonus won't save high RP players, and wont save LoV in general. They shouldn't have tried to do a hotfix unless they're rolling out cross server duty finders or actual elimination style tournaments or something.

Perhaps they are bundling some secret maintenance stuff too, but if it's just for minions I think it was a bad call even though I love the minigame.

[Myon88]

I don't think they are particularly invested in making the tournaments 100% 'fair' anyway. The saucer is ultimately just a fun diversion, so I don't think making these tournaments 100% serious is really the goal they have in mind.

I mean if they really wanted to do that, it would be a simple matter to make the 'tournaments' an actual tournament with elimination brackets, or just disregard RP completely and make every win worth the same - but really these tournaments are more like fun social events with slightly higher stakes, than actual tournament tournaments if you get what I mean. It's more like your office ping-pong tournament than the Olympics, just a casual affair and if Jake from accounting is cheating to win a bottle of wine, eh who cares.

That said I'm glad to hear they're looking into cross-server matching for LoV though, that will go a long way to keeping the scene healthy - I know it did for pet battles in WoW.