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  1. #21
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    AlphaDragoon's Avatar
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    Renault Cathetel
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    Quote Originally Posted by Calypsx View Post
    If red mage is released as a dps next expansion, samurai will most likely be a tank.
    I hope Samurai is a DPS. I'd really like to see something closer to FFT Samurai and FFTA's Parivir.

    They want to make things interesting, make Red Mage the tank. Having an actual magical tank would be cool. Dark Knight uses MP but they're not really a magic tank, per se.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Calypsx View Post
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    You're leaving out the part where they said the other job they didn't pick would become a DPS, as DRK was originally slated for the DPS role, not Samurai, now the roles have swapped.

    I get that you really want Samurai to be a tank but that's not what the information presented so far by Yoshida says.
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    Last edited by Cynric; 11-21-2015 at 10:09 AM.

  3. #23
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlphaDragoon View Post
    I hope Samurai is a DPS. I'd really like to see something closer to FFT and FFTA's Parivir.

    They want to make things interesting, make Red Mage the tank. Having an actual magical tank would be cool. Dark Knight uses MP but they're not really a magic tank, per se.
    That would be cool too honestly.

    Just releasing two dps jobs in one expansion seems like a bad idea for fans of tanks/healers and for the queue times.

    I'm just trying to be real here, people quote what Yoshi said long ago but the Pax East interview was more recent and hinted at Samurai as one of the possible tanks so its very likely if it got that down to the wire they already have playstyle concepts for it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cynric View Post
    You're leaving out the part where they said the other job they didn't pick would become a DPS, as DRK was originally slated for the DPS role, not Samurai, now the roles have swapped.

    I get that you really want Samurai to be a tank but that's not what the information presented so far by Yoshida says.
    Where did they say DRK was originally slated for dps a role? Please show me this recent interview I missed and quote the exact words because I never heard that.

    Also where did they say the other job they didn't pick would become a dps? Please give me a link.
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    Last edited by Calypsx; 11-21-2015 at 10:20 AM.

  5. #25
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    Tani Shirai
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    If the game continues to discourage hybrids, I would really love it if there was an original class that continues automatically as a job after 30 and up to 60, sharing half its abilities until 50 with its alternate job that can be swapped to at 30. For instance, Ronin/Samurai. You can add the Samurai choice at 30, and/or just keep going on Ronin until 60. The same would effectively be done with just making a second job, e.g. Assassin/Blade/Nightblade, to complement Samurai as well, of course. Just not sure why we insist on naming these things that we only use for 30 levels before dumping entirely.
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    Last edited by Shurrikhan; 11-21-2015 at 11:11 AM.

  6. #26
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    Why does every discussion involving Samurai end up being a Tank vs DPS thread? Yoshida said Samurai feels more like a DPS. His exact words. He chose DRK to be Tank, and tbh Dark Knight does fit Heavensward more as a Tank than Samurai ever would have. It's still possible, but I'm just quoting Yoshi.

    OP: Love the idea. A skill chaining DPS would be unique and it is completely doable.
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    Last edited by Nakiami; 11-21-2015 at 11:38 AM.
    Legend tells of a legendary warrior whose kung fu skills were the stuff of legend. He was so deadly, in fact, that his enemies would go blind from over-exposure to pure awesomeness!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nakiami View Post
    Love the idea. A skill chaining DPS would be unique and it is completely doable.
    Thanks! I agree that SE needs to add a bit of uniqueness to future Jobs. SE needs to change their formula a bit as it is becoming a bit stale and kinda predictable.
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  8. #28
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    I wish all classes had viable DPS options, like in WoW.
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    I don't believe red mage will be in 4.0. I think the line up will be Samurai, Shogun, and Mystic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FallenArisen0990 View Post
    ....
    Elemental Skill chains mean nothing in XIV atm. Currently no job skills off another like it may have in 1.x or XI. Blade Bash (back of the blade) should stun as the only way it could be a ranged attack is if your toss your sword like Lone Wolf. or some other object ie: Coin (gil toss) or Jitte. Bard can increase TP via song and Nin can goad other people, Invigorate is due to Lancers TP consumption. If Samurai can increase its TP or regain there has to be a reason. Like one stance to increase TP cost for higher damage/crit with slower speed. Or faster speed lowered damage. Something that would make TP management important. Thus I can see Invigorate being a cross for instant tp when needed and for most of the regain descriptions. I can't see why a DPS would sacrifice TP for another player, even a tank if it means both could potentially run out of tp. I don't know how multiple hits would work for Zanshin. Maybe auto attack damage modifier, recast modifier for skills or ability that occasionally allows lowered TP use on weapon skills like a random Conserve Mp effect. But that would throw the combo effects of weapon skills off or make them like a bards rotation with no real combo chain and reduce the need for some regain tp buffs. Otherwise I'm reading it as a type of heavy DPS that has to manage its tp more than other jobs.

    <snip.. snip.. from others>
    Other than Ninja coming from Dhoma, didn't Maiden event made a reference to her looking like she's from the far east? We have a map of one general area but where is Dhoma on the globe? Also Gilgamesh for whatever his cannon is, has a great katana that uses a move called Masamune (possibly the weapons name). We can assume that he is holding every "melee" weapon that is available in the game. The rune axe might be a representation to Warrs great axe, monks claws, drg polearm, pld sword but the only three unique weapons he had was the great sword (Dark), Great Katana (Sam) and a Mace (???) and one empty hand. Back to the point where did he get a legendary Katana from since he's looking for a blade of legend? We will get samurai eventually as either a dps or 4th tank as we got dark for the great sword. But what job would use a spiked mace? Godbert uses a hammer.

    Quote Originally Posted by Reaperking386 View Post
    Samurai, Shogun
    That's almost the same thing. Shogun = Warlord, and can be a proven Samurai appointed by the sitting emperor. That's like saying a General and Soldier besides rank are not the same thing.
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    Last edited by Kotemon; 11-21-2015 at 06:19 PM.

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