Tanks&Healers; please focus on Role first, then DPS

[MisterLucie]

What irks me about this thread and ones like them is that people act as if dpsing while you're a tank/healer is somehow a magnet for tragedy when in reality it's only bad players that can't handle it, because it's actually extremely easy and gives a little bit of excitement to what are otherwise boring roles in anything under extreme/savage. It's too easy for people to notice that the person who screwed up and caused a wipe was in cleric stance and then instantly "That's the problem!"

If I made a thread for every dumb party member I get on a daily basis who plays their role poorly or messes up a mechanic and causes a wipe this entire forum would be completely spammed to hell and back. Why do people act as if it's somehow a different matter when it comes to this? It's not. It's bad players being bad at whatever they're doing, and all the threads in the world won't change it because they don't care to improve.

[SchalaZeal]

That sounds like the tank stepped in something that completely one shot them

Not really, a tank doing a NORMAL trash pull (just one group) in something like Stone Vigil normal, you have time to, Bio, Miasma, Bio 2, Ruin 2 (for Bio 2 to be on mob), Bane, drop cleric, adlo, physick, put cleric up again and keep dpsing. But if the tank got hit by an aoe, forget the Bane or forget the tank. That includes the fairy doing half the job while you dps. It's not that the tank is one-shot, it's that you pass 5 GCDs not healing the tank.

If the tank is badly geared, not using cooldowns, or pulling double or triple pulls, forget having time to Bane.

[lawlHT]

Not really, a tank doing a NORMAL trash pull (just one group) in something like Stone Vigil normal, you have time to, Bio, Miasma, Bio 2, Ruin 2 (for Bio 2 to be on mob), Bane, drop cleric, adlo, physick, put cleric up again and keep dpsing. But if the tank got hit by an aoe, forget the Bane or forget the tank. That includes the fairy doing half the job while you dps. It's not that the tank is one-shot, it's that you pass 5 GCDs not healing the tank.

If the tank is badly geared, not using cooldowns, or pulling double or triple pulls, forget having time to Bane.

If the tank gets hit by an aoe it's their own fault. You didn't force them to ignore the glowing orange indicator while you were contributing dps

[SchalaZeal]

If the tank gets hit by an aoe it's their own fault. You didn't force them to ignore the glowing orange indicator while you were contributing dps

That's true but forget your commend if you let the tank die, even if it's their own fault. People assume you should prevent shit like that, rather than dps more.

[KazuneHypnotik]

How about this. As a WHM, I always focus healing first but I do dps when I have a window of opportunity to do so. I say as long as the tank or healer can dps WITHOUT SACRIFICING A WIPE then let them dps? It's not hurting anyone? Now then, if they do cause a wipe then obviously they need to focus on their main role a little more. Healer needs to focus healing or tank needs to tank. But if they can keep the dpsing under control then you all don't need to worry about it. That's just my two cents.

[MisterLucie]

Not really, a tank doing a NORMAL trash pull (just one group) in something like Stone Vigil normal, you have time to, Bio, Miasma, Bio 2, Ruin 2 (for Bio 2 to be on mob), Bane, drop cleric, adlo, physick, put cleric up again and keep dpsing. But if the tank got hit by an aoe, forget the Bane or forget the tank. That includes the fairy doing half the job while you dps. It's not that the tank is one-shot, it's that you pass 5 GCDs not healing the tank.

No, see, the solution to that is completely simple because you just forget about finishing your dps rotation and focus on immediately saving the tank. You adapt to the situation. It's not a set in stone thing that if you swap to cleric you absolutely have to finish your dps rotation before swapping out.

[bloodSp3c]

for healers, in patch 3.2, yoshi p is gonna disable every dps ability while in battle, so y'all can shut up about saying healers are bad/not playing to full potential/whatever by not dpsing...

[KazuneHypnotik]

for healers, in patch 3.2, yoshi p is gonna disable every dps ability while in battle, so y'all can shut up about saying healers are bad/not playing to full potential/whatever by not dpsing...

I'm gonna laugh so hard if this is true bahaha

[Eothas]

for healers, in patch 3.2, yoshi p is gonna disable every dps ability while in battle, so y'all can shut up about saying healers are bad/not playing to full potential/whatever by not dpsing...

lmao, let's say thats true... if our DPS skills are disabled while in battle, when we will be able to use it? stone III in Ul Dah Lalas I guess.

[Reinha]

for healers, in patch 3.2, yoshi p is gonna disable every dps ability while in battle, so y'all can shut up about saying healers are bad/not playing to full potential/whatever by not dpsing...

Oh god. If this was true I would really hope they upped the damage taken in dungeons so there's something to do. Standing there doing nothing for 10 seconds is not my idea of fun gameplay. Especially when the last mob of a pull seems to be at 10% for ages when (I'm guessing) both dps expect the other to finish it off. Quite often I have to take my hand of the Stoneskin button and kill it myself. >_>

Come to think of it I came up with a better idea. Put a smart-healing component (automatically targeted at the lowest health party member) onto every dps skill for healers, so people can still fulfill their "pure healer" fantasy whilst actually contributing during times of low/no damage taken.