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    Quote Originally Posted by Instrumentality View Post
    I hope they add it as literally as possible from Mist.

    Also let me /sit to take an auto crit so I can build more vengeance, SE. I wanna double the dps of dps jobs.
    That's not how vengeance is intended to work, & I guarantee SE won't be implementing any mechanics in such a way as to make it so actual dedicated dps jobs are irrelevant. Stop trolling; git gud.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ralvenom View Post
    That's not how vengeance is intended to work, & I guarantee SE won't be implementing any mechanics in such a way as to make it so actual dedicated dps jobs are irrelevant. Stop trolling; git gud.
    I am 100% certain that Vengeance was intended to return damage taken as damage output for tanks and surviving critical attacks was completely legitimate as a way to boost raid dps.

    And Vengeance can never make actual dps jobs irrelevant because you have to, guess what, be taking damage for it to work. Unless the boss cleaves in a manner that is both survivable and enough of a Vengeance builder for six tanks to stand in it with healers out healing it that they do more dps than a traditional dps. (This never happens.) Try harder next time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Instrumentality View Post
    I am 100% certain that Vengeance was intended to return damage taken as damage output for tanks and surviving critical attacks was completely legitimate as a way to boost raid dps.
    If we look at how vengeance worked in ACTUAL raid environments, tank dps was still much lower than the dps of the actual damage specs. It was NEVER intended for you to be doing more dps than anyone else in the raid, so quit making a trolling statement that someone (who doesn't know how vengeance works) could misconstrue as half-way serious.

    And Vengeance can never make actual dps jobs irrelevant because you have to, guess what, be taking damage for it to work. [...] Try harder next time.
    lol, you silly person...this is what I was saying!.../facepalm
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ralvenom View Post
    If we look at how vengeance worked in ACTUAL raid environments, tank dps was still much lower than the dps of the actual damage specs. It was NEVER intended for you to be doing more dps than anyone else in the raid, so quit making a trolling statement that someone (who doesn't know how vengeance works) could misconstrue as half-way serious.
    Did you do heroic raiding at all in Mist?

    Like at all?
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