Punish DOL and Afker's in Diadem

[giantslayer]

The problem here is that gathering is inherently a solo activity. There is no such thing as group gathering and there is no way for DoL and combat classes to have any sort of shared activity in the diadem. The gatherer in Diadem is like a guy who shows up to a party IRL, takes a spot on the couch, eats food, and spends the whole evening on his iPhone and doesn't talk to anyone.

The solution: let DoL queue into Diadem solo. Lock them into DoL classes only. Either shorten the time they can spend in Diadem or lengthen the lockout for DoL in DF so that there is still an advantage to doing what SE intended and going in with a mixed party of people from your FC (as opposed to strangers in DF).

[AskaRay]

The problem here is that gathering is inherently a solo activity. There is no such thing as group gathering and there is no way for DoL and combat classes to have any sort of shared activity in the diadem. The gatherer in Diadem is like a guy who shows up to a party IRL, takes a spot on the couch, eats food, and spends the whole evening on his iPhone and doesn't talk to anyone.

The solution: let DoL queue into Diadem solo. Lock them into DoL classes only. Either shorten the time they can spend in Diadem or lengthen the lockout for DoL in DF so that there is still an advantage to doing what SE intended and going in with a mixed party of people from your FC (as opposed to strangers in DF).

Honestly not a fan of this idea... have fun having all those new mats from Diadem suddenly skyrocket in price.

[Mercutial]

In all fairness, are the players mashing their buttons against the HP sponges in Diadem really doing all that more work than the gatherers? Seriously not trolling here, but some people make it sound like there's actually some kind of work that goes into yanking the loot lever. AFKers doing nothing? Yeah.. kick 'em. But what's wrong with letting a couple of gatherers come do their thing. Filling up your party. Allowing you to enter the instance.

Am I missing something? Are there cases of only 6/8 doing battle and not getting a chest when 8/8 would have allowed it?

[Colorful]

In all fairness, are the players mashing their buttons against the HP sponges in Diadem really doing all that more work than the gatherers? Seriously not trolling here, but some people make it sound like there's actually some kind of work that goes into yanking the loot lever. AFKers doing nothing? Yeah.. kick 'em. But what's wrong with letting a couple of gatherers come do their thing. Filling up your party. Allowing you to enter the instance.

Am I missing something? Are there cases of only 6/8 doing battle and not getting a chest when 8/8 would have allowed it?

It can be difficult to get credit for star ranks when 3+ people in your party aren't participating. That isn't the problem though, it's when the DoL classes roll on the loot that the DoW/DoM classes are grinding for, while they did nothing to help obtain that loot.

[Mercutial]

But the battle classes didn't really do that much either. I don't know. I see how this is a sensitive topic. And it's really interesting from the perspective of someone who's only entered Diadem once. Even if I may not entirely see the issue with gatherers in a party rolling on loot (they're not AFK), I suppose I see the issue if their lack of battle contribution leads to no chest(s).

I'll go back to the shadows.

[Kosmos992k]

It is for RL discrimination such as Religious views, race, sex, and sexuality choices. Asking Sqaure to equalize the loot between combat classes and DoL is not against the guidelines.

First, you've very clearly and graciously acknowledged that the wording of the subject could have been better, which is a lot more than many posters would do.

I would like to point out that discrimination is something that goes far wider and deeper than the things you mentioned and can be extremely subtle or quite explicit. Simply creating a hostile climate - hostile towards a particular group - very much *is* discrimination. That said, your post hardly qualifies as that, even if the title was a bit emotive.

By square's discretion, not yours.

Clearly. However you posted that as part of the guidelines for posting you quoted while defending your original post and topic. I included it in my reply because it is a catch all and allows the community managers to remove/lock topics that do not explicitly break any other rule, but which might be considered a problem. I wasn't suggesting that your post does qualify, merely reminding you that the decisions community managers and moderators make are not always so clear cut.

I think we both know full well that this suggestion doesn't fall into the same category as that rule. It's safe to assume that rule relates to "Reaperking386 is a giant butt, don't associate with them", or "Miqo'te forum posters are idiots" and not a suggestion related to the game. The title is a bad one though, you can tell a fair few people didn't read the actual thread and responded to the title.

Yeah, I am sure that they have and Reaperking has more than once graciously acknowledge the wording could have been better.

On the actual topic. I don't think that anything that alters the current rolling rules would be needed. Perhaps the best thing to do would be to deactivate the gathering nodes and fishing when Diadem is entered through DF, making DF (not a premade group) a combat only way to enter this content. That way there is no question about loot rules.

Of course that would create some issues for DoL players who currently use DF. However there's nothing stopping them from using PF to get a group together.

Ultimately though I hope cooler heads prevail because I don't know whether SE will make changes specific to DF for Diadem, and I suspect that if changes were made to better accommodate DF, it would have an impact on the content for everyone, FC & premade as well.

[SummonerSenah]

My FC specifically plans gathering runs. We do one run with combat jobs for loot, do something else during the wait period, and then go back in and have combat classes up long enough to get the aether currents and then people without gatherers or fishers up to 60 usually take off. Everyone really wants the tank gear so the FC feels it's worth it to do that so the fishers can get the pterodactyls. I think it really depends on what your goal is.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

How about if they haven't contributed enough damage, they are auto-kicked by way of a cutscene showing them being fired from a cannon off of the island? I would be okay with this.

Really though, I think that is a fair suggestion. Make some kind of contribution, or get the cannon.

I like the way you think.

[missybee]

Am I missing something? Are there cases of only 6/8 doing battle and not getting a chest when 8/8 would have allowed it?

Yes, and it sucks the big one. Had to abandon due to this the other day.

[Derio]

Yes there are cases where you have 5,6, or even in rare cases 7/8 doing battle and getting absolutely 0 credit for Star hunts or lvl 5 hunts even. This is due to multiple reasons such as : afk, gathering, disconnected( player not returning), trolling, etc.

Which is why premade groups are preferred for this type of content, however even in rare cases in PF you will see such nonsense.