Am I only one who finds autoattack so slow ?

[Konachibi]

How many buttons does your gamepad have?

[Charismatic]

yes, i am quite serious. with the controller my buttons are already at my fingers. using the keyboard there is no telling where your hand may be at any point in time. that is going to relate to it being alot faster to make the moves because your hand is always there.

what is this I don't even

[Murugan]

At higher ranks it's fine. When playing Conjurer (R50) or Thaumaturge (R43) there's always something for me to do.

But I've been trying to rank up Gladiator (currently R28) and it's pretty boring.
I'm probably "playing wrong" and would definitely appreciate advice from better players.

But most of the time I'm waiting for Auto Attack to kick in while watching the cooldown timer on Light Stab to reset. Even using Outmaneuver and Invigorate, it still takes quite a while for me to build up enough TP to have anything else to do other than Light Stab... and often by that time the monster is dispatched by someone else.

One up side is that I have time to play with the camera angle and take screenshots during battle. ^^;

At 28 you have been able to purchase an additional basic attack for 8 levels (and can purchase another soon). So the first thing you should do is go to the gladiator guild, do the quest they have available for and get that (you got an NPC linkshell alert at 20 alerting you to this btw you must have missed it, but it is glowing in the corner of your screen until you read it, and there is a chat alert).

Anyways what I think you should do during battle as a Gladiator, is start the fight out with invigorate (which all melee should do). Get guard up, and as soon as you get a block hit Phalanx. Then either use a 500 TP ability, or another basic attack to get more TP. Refresh guard, and put up outmaneuver (increased TP from blocks) and use a defensive ability (sentinel, featherfoot for example). At this point you should have plenty of TP use raging strike/ferocity and a 1k TP weapon skill.

This is just an example, you can use other abilities as well (though if you are tanking I would suggest to use Phalanx liberally), but you should be fitting in many more abilities than you seem to be currently. When I played Gladiator from 20 on I was never spending more than a second or two not actually using one ability. In fact gladiator is by far one of the busiest classes in the game in my opinion.

This isn't a personal dig, but all you people complaining about auto attack should really take a look at your class forums for ideas on what you can do rather than "waiting for TP" before coming to the general forums and complaining about the system. I understand it is easier to complain about something, and I certainly don't mind giving people tips on the forum or in game; but the best thing you can do for yourself in an MMO is to either try various combat strategies yourself or read what others are doing (or preferably both of these things). There will never be a good enough tutorial in any MMO to teach you how to play your class as well as doing those things will.

[Mikita]

At 28 you have been able to purchase an additional basic attack for 8 levels (and can purchase another soon). So the first thing you should do is go to the gladiator guild, do the quest they have available for and get that (you got an NPC linkshell alert at 20 alerting you to this btw you must have missed it, but it is glowing in the corner of your screen until you read it, and there is a chat alert).

Anyways what I think you should do during battle as a Gladiator, is start the fight out with invigorate (which all melee should do). Get guard up, and as soon as you get a block hit Phalanx. Then either use a 500 TP ability, or another basic attack to get more TP. Refresh guard, and put up outmaneuver (increased TP from blocks) and use a defensive ability (sentinel, featherfoot for example). At this point you should have plenty of TP use raging strike/ferocity and a 1k TP weapon skill.

This is just an example, you can use other abilities as well (though if you are tanking I would suggest to use Phalanx liberally), but you should be fitting in many more abilities than you seem to be currently. When I played Gladiator from 20 on I was never spending more than a second or two not actually using one ability. In fact gladiator is by far one of the busiest classes in the game in my opinion.

This isn't a personal dig, but all you people complaining about auto attack should really take a look at your class forums for ideas on what you can do rather than "waiting for TP" before coming to the general forums and complaining about the system. I understand it is easier to complain about something, and I certainly don't mind giving people tips on the forum or in game; but the best thing you can do for yourself in an MMO is to either try various combat strategies yourself or read what others are doing (or preferably both of these things). There will never be a good enough tutorial in any MMO to teach you how to play your class as well as doing those things will.

Murugan,

Thank you for the very helpful post! I'll visit the Gladiator guild (never been there before) to see if I can buy some abilities.

Reading the class forums and being able to learn from more experienced players is definitely helpful.

And I guess that is really the key. Having enough (including cross class abilities) on your bar so that you have something to do besides wait for Auto Attack -- which was really just meant to fill in the holes why players selected other actions.

[darkstarpoet1]

How many buttons does your gamepad have?

it's set up exactly like a playstation controller. same number of buttons and same button config. it is also exactly like the controllers i have used since the 90's so it is more familiar and time efficient for me. if someone does not play console games it would likely not be as efficient.

i just said that for me it is faster. for someone else it may not be.

[Konachibi]

it's set up exactly like a playstation controller. same number of buttons and same button config. it is also exactly like the controllers i have used since the 90's so it is more familiar and time efficient for me. if someone does not play console games it would likely not be as efficient.

i just said that for me it is faster. for someone else it may not be.

I was just trying to imagine how it'd play on my gamepad (also like a playstation one). I figured since i'd have to cycle my skill selection across the action bar it'd be slower than just being able to press 2 or 5 or suchlike. But that's just me, if it works for you keep doing it ^.^

[darkstarpoet1]

I was just trying to imagine how it'd play on my gamepad (also like a playstation one). I figured since i'd have to cycle my skill selection across the action bar it'd be slower than just being able to press 2 or 5 or suchlike. But that's just me, if it works for you keep doing it ^.^

no it's not hard to do either method. that's why i stated it was easier for me. i used the keyboard and mouse option originally and moved to controller when my keyboard went out and was waiting on the new one to show up. once i got my controller keys set then it was very efficient.

i got my new keyboard in and tried to go back to it and decided the controller was more convenient to use. the extra click on spells and crafting became less annoying and so did the actual changing of from bar 1 to bar 3.

like i said i am not saying it is for everyone because i know some that have tried the controller and hated the way it worked. i just stated for me it was faster and more efficient.

[MrKupo]

If you are just standing as a LNC... then your are doing it wrong. One of the best things about this game's battle system that I think differenciates it from WoW and all its clones is the AOE system.

[Kikosho]

If you are just standing as a LNC... then your are doing it wrong. One of the best things about this game's battle system that I think differenciates it from WoW and all its clones is the AOE system.

If you mean the AOE toggle, SE is planning on removing that in the future. No word on how exactly we'll AOE afterwards.

As for the topic, based on how it's implemented, AA is fine for certain classes (or tanking, any class) but it's a hindrance for others. I honestly feel it's a stepback for SE considering their other games, offline though they may be, are faster and more engaging.

[Murugan]

If you mean the AOE toggle, SE is planning on removing that in the future. No word on how exactly we'll AOE afterwards.

As for the topic, based on how it's implemented, AA is fine for certain classes (or tanking, any class) but it's a hindrance for others. I honestly feel it's a stepback for SE considering their other games, offline though they may be, are faster and more engaging.

Give me an example of one of the classes it is worse for because so far we have discussed in detail how Pugilist, Gladiator, Maurader and Lancer can use the new system to do much more than "stand there and gain TP". None of these are slower or less engaging after the patch as a result of auto attack.