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    Roxas Andrade
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    Well, one thing the OP didn't make clear is the tank attitude in the fights they've done. For the Lv of the dungeon, I can't say if the tank was or wasn't using cooldowns. If he was, then he got almost desperate when he got low on health despite all his effort, then he thought it would be a tough run without a "good" healer. If he wasn't using CDs, then he was just a moron.

    Other day in Neverreap, I switched to Cleric to deal some damage, but after one or two spells, the tank died. In the first pull. He wasn't using CDs at all and had Asp.Bene on him. I could've used something but it happened too fast. I then understood that I had to focus on healing. I was ok with it.
    The tank went through the entire dungeon without using a single CD. And it took forever to get to the last boss, cause dps was not that high. I helped dps just a little, but I focused on the healing as needed. After the last boss, one of the DPS said "You shoud've queued as dps" and left.

    I guess there are player that are casual or want to play safe. There's nothing wrong with that, but I just wanted my DR bonus for the day, I wanted that to be fast. I adapted to the playstyle of the group, took a deep breath, slowed down, but it was pointless in the end...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Roxas_Andrade View Post
    I guess there are player that are casual or want to play safe. There's nothing wrong with that, but I just wanted my DR bonus for the day, I wanted that to be fast. I adapted to the playstyle of the group, took a deep breath, slowed down, but it was pointless in the end...
    Not your fault the DPS couldn't recognize the shortcomings of the tank. I've had more than one occasion that a DPS stepped up in my defense when a tank mass pulls and fails to support me with any CD's. Typically, I prefer to overheal and do a little less damage on the first pull to feel out the party's DPS and the tank's abilities, and also to show my higher healing potential and willingness to DPS. I'll give you credit for carrying the tank, though. My patience doesn't extend far enough for that.
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    My advice, keep cleric stance on your bar. As others have said before, the primary role of the healer is to keep the party alive. There are some tanks who thrive on being topped off consistently (Just something I notice as well consistently in the Duty Finder). You were correct to gauge the gear of the tank and dps. As long as you do not let the tank die and he keeps hate, then you are doing fine. This happens to me all the time when I play my SCH job in the low level roulettes, when I play especially in fractal or level 50 dungeon roulette on my SCH job. If I play tank in a lower level roulette, I love seeing healers dps, even when I play dps because it speeds the dungeon time up and things move quite smoothly . Again this is just my opinion so take from it what you will.
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    Haven't read through all of posts here but low level is just that, low level.. people are always pissy not wanting to do it, or they just don't know how to properly play. Most people are new, so even if the tank was in a bad mood and initiates the vote dismiss, if the other 2 DPS are newer players, they would probably just agree since until you've played for months and have experience, you usually just trust that whoever initiated the vote dismiss probably knows more than I do and that there's a good reason for it. So I wouldn't stress too much. I don't let the tanks get too low though but I also don't top off non stop. The only time I usually let them get under 50% is if I've popped Regen etc on them and I'm spamming Holy or Gravity something they can clearly see I'm doing, all with my finger not far from the Bene button or the sort of similar one for AST. (I main AST now but can't remember the name, essential dignity?).
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    Everybody heals differently. Everybody tanks differently. Honestly, if as a player you need to worry about satisfying the expectations of another player, without that player even mentioning them, while you're still fulfilling the expectations set by the game, then SE might as well put a giant banner when starting the game saying 'You must be a psychology major to play this game'.

    The correct way of doing an encounter is ensuring the party doesn't fall while the enemy does. That's as basic as it gets. Even if you all hit the floor right at the end.
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    Last edited by AzureFlare; 11-17-2015 at 04:01 AM.

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    Yui Sasaki
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    No offense, but I'd probably done the same, maybe with telling you in front why and if you'd not change the vote would come.

    Pushing some DPS as a heal is nice and all but first and foremost you should not let the tank go without a heal, just throw it at him to let him know you are there, never mind the fact that he may not need it at all.
    If I'd want a third dps look-a-like on a healer slot, I'd look for a game like that...
    People these days might be rude, for kicking you without saying anything, BUT you are somewht rude too for not healing a tank when he drops to 25%, those poor fragile things get scared a lot, you know? Never heard of a WoW-Paladin using Bubble and Hearthstone? (For those who might not know -> google )
    Anyway, if you want to continue that way, at least let your party know beforehand, even if its just a "Yo, i'm healing if it's necessary don't be afraid, but mainly i'll push dat damage!".

    Just my two cents
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    Don't let it get to you, OP... I main SCH, I usually don't heal tanks until they are at ~30% HP, and even then it sort of depends on the mobs that are left... If they ain't dead, then everything's a-ok in my opinion. That being said, throwing him a cure after the fight would probably have been better, if only just to show them that you are, in fact, watching those HP bars as you should.
    I don't condone vote kicking abuse like that with literally no attempt at communication, but as someone who also plays a tank I do get that sometimes you just can't be sure if the healer feels confident enough to DPS or if they're just having a serious case of tunnel vision. If I had been in that specific situation I'd have been inclined to think the second, if you didn't throw him a single benefic :P
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    To reiterate what many others have said: don't change a thing. People need to learn that a healer's job isn't to heal HP but rather to prevent HP from reaching 0. As long as nobody dies, then you're doing your job, and any healing beyond what is absolutely necessary is a decision based entirely on your confidence in your own skill as well as your party members'.

    If it makes you feel any better, I'm just like you. I constantly push the limits of my own DPS/healing abilities and let the tank get as low as possible before healing. And for what it's worth, I've never gotten kicked from a duty before; I've had complaining, sure, and I don't get as many comms as I used to when I was learning how to heal (and didn't DPS as much). So I think this is an isolated incident, and I would pay it no mind.
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    Quote Originally Posted by YuiSasaki View Post
    If I'd want a third dps look-a-like on a healer slot, I'd look for a game like that...
    Right back at you: the game requests of me to buy my team enough time to finish an encounter by providing healing. It doesn't say when, it doesn't say how, it doesn't say where. It isn't my duty to make sure a tank's fragile mind isn't suffering from fear. Whatever else I do is additional stuff.
    That includes both providing DPS and making your health never drop below 50% so you can be oh so sure you won't die.

    You think it is rude for not healing a tank that drops to 25%, I think it is rude of someone to expect me to do my job differently when I do all if not nearly all of the healing, and no one dies regardless. If anything, judge the moment you die.
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    I encountered a similar situation when I got Copperbell for leveling on my AST. It wasn't the other party members that questioned me, it was the ACN, who stopped his dps to physic the tank. I ate the timer and dropped rather than continue the argument.

    You're playing just fine, but with duty finder parties, you may need to communicate a bit more. There are tanks out there who know what they're doing and see you playing to your best, and there are others who won't trust you bc they think you're dpsing at the expense of heals. That's a negotiation that needs to be talked about. "Hey, I'm going to be doing a lot of dps, but I won't let you die! My dps will make this go faster." If the tank says they're not comfortable you can either heal more to compromise, or eat a timer like I did.
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