Regarding healers acting as DPS

[Shurrikhan]

In my whole time leveling I commonly let tanks drop to 8% health before topping them off with a single buffed Cure 2 or an ED. I think I've only been kicked once in those many hundreds of runs for it, and that was mostly because I'd AoE (apparently the SMN wasn't doing so already, or only baning a small fraction of his DoTs) while my PLD tank didn't know how to use Flash... in other words an enmity issue pissing off the tank and his friend, not a survival one (not like the guy knew what CDs were to say I forced him to pop one). Later rejoined the one good dps from that previous party on my next instant queue.

tldr;I think you just got your short end of the stick abnormally early.

[Rawrz]

SCH mentality:
Tank is at 100%
Cast Bio II

Tank is at 60%
Cast Miasma

Tank is at 30% (CDs everywhere)
Oh I still got time.. Cast Bio

Tank is at 20%
Waiting to bane...

Tank is at 15% clinging onto to life by the Love of Selene

Tank is at 10%
¡BANE!

Tank is at 5% Preparing to respawn.
Cleric Stance off. LUSTRATE! (possibly second lustrate) Adlo! (Possibly ET Adlo after)

Back to Cleric Stance!

>

Scholars need dat bane to happen. It gives tanks the butt clench muscles they need to be sexy ;D

[WeekendSoja]

I agree with 95% of this thread when I say dps'ing as a healer is awesome and don't stop doing it. Honestly the other 5% who are talking about trust and whatnot...why?

I don't need to trust you to heal me, you either heal me or you don't, if at the end the pt's alive I'm keep trucking on, if I die...well compared to mmo's of the past, ffxiv is tame in regards to death penalties.

Let all remember the days of having to do a non-max level area cause now you died and you are 1 level lower than max...lolffxivdeathpenalties

[Shurrikhan]

I agree with 95% of this thread when I say dps'ing as a healer is awesome and don't stop doing it. Honestly the other 5% who are talking about trust and whatnot...why?

I don't need to trust you to heal me, you either heal me or you don't, if at the end the pt's alive I'm keep trucking on, if I die...well compared to mmo's of the past, ffxiv is tame in regards to death penalties.

Let all remember the days of having to do a non-max level area cause now you died and you are 1 level lower than max...lolffxivdeathpenalties

"Trust" in the sense of the tank knowing when to extend their eHP in ways they normally wouldn't so you can finish your DoTs for Bane is nice. Knowing when you have enough healing overcoverage that they can stance dance is nice. But that too is about maxing DPS and would better be defined as "knowledge", "tacit understandings", or "common sense"... /shrug

[FoxyAreku]

snip

>Then the tank dies during the lustrate animation.

That's my life, anyway. lel

[WeekendSoja]

or "common sense"... /shrug

For content, cool down usage should always be an observation not a muscle memory thing lol, if you can\\'t adapt to the situation, as hard as this may sound, you don\\'t just fail at a video game in that regard.

An MMO, especially this one where adapting to any situation should really be second nature (cause things happen) is honestly an extension of a real life mental capacity. Just saying if you can\\'t adjust in a videogame I can only imagine otherwise...

People are entitled to their opinion about this but it\\'s just how I see it. Though in regards to the guy detailing SCH circumstance...I wish I would panic like that, I might enjoy tanking more...but again if I die I die and it may be someone\\'s fault but the pt will single that out and beat it to death lol

[Blessedbythesun]

I don't need to trust you to heal me, you either heal me or you don't, if at the end the pt's alive I'm keep trucking on, if I die...well compared to mmo's of the past, ffxiv is tame in regards to death penalties.

I'm confused about how you can have that mentality. If tank has to end up using all their CDs and still die in any content that isn't strict like endgame raiding, there is definitely a error on the the healer's behalf. It doesn't matter if FFXIV doesn't suffer from FFXI treatment of death. You're not only wasting the tanks time, you're wasting every one else's time, if you allow the tank to die when it is you're responsibility as a healer to make sure they survive the skirmishes.

[Blessedbythesun]

For content, cool down usage should always be an observation not a muscle memory thing lol, if you can't adapt to the situation...-snip-

You're being very contradictory. Yes, adaption for healers chose to DPS means being observant and knowing when to DPS or even when to stop DPSing to heal and vice versa. Going straight into DPSing and letting the tank or any party member die to something that could be easily survived by even a single cure is failing as a healer and maybe said person should be playing a DPS job instead when venturing out in party events.

This is also why trust between tanks and healers are necessary. A tank needs to trust a healer enough to know that they will stop DPSing to heal them when it is a necessity. It also gives the tank enough trust to make larger pulls, take beneficial risks and improves party morale in general.

[WeekendSoja]

Lol you guys are perceiving this as if op stated he let the guy die. Not the case and my mentality is just because if it happens it happens.

Also, if I pop all my cooldowns on a trash pull and we still wipe it's a gear problem between the roles not a trust problem honestly lol.

If a healer just lets their tank die than they get the boot from a pt unless 3/4 or 7/8 are trolling that one tank than they win all the cookies lol

[Blessedbythesun]

Lol you guys are perceiving this as if op stated he let the guy die. Not the case and my mentality is just because if it happens it happens.

Also, if I pop all my cooldowns on a trash pull and we still wipe it's a gear problem between the roles not a trust problem honestly lol.

If a healer just lets their tank die than they get the boot from a pt unless 3/4 or 7/8 are trolling that one tank than they win all the cookies lol

I think you misread what the OP was saying because he's talking about the balance between being comfortable with DPSing and not healing when it's unnecessary because the assumption is that the tank and the others felt he prioritize DPS over healing thus feeling uncomfortable with performance that lead to an unwarranted kick. Because of that, this discussion is about the correlation between how others perceive a healer's decision making when it comes to the balance between healing and DPSing.

So to that effect, undergeared healing is not up for discussion because it is basically impossible for a healer to be able to DPS because they have to invest more time into healing and not able to have a comfort zone to DPS. Also, undergeared healing has never been that heavily penalized as undergeared tanking or DPS. And as a SCH, I use my CD's quite frequently on trash mobs and if a tank are making large pulls, it should be expected that a healer is using their CDs proactively.