Spoilers of The Maiden's Rhapsody FFXI, I can't believe this, XI and XIV crystals

[Cilia]

Oh, of course. It's mind-screw for them, since they're the only two antagonists with that sort of link, and they're both aware of it but can't explain being in the same place at the same time.

Dissidia Chaos is... sad. That's really all I can say.

From what I remember, it's purely one-sided on Garland's part, since Dissidia Chaos isn't I Chaos and has absolutely no idea what he's talking about.

... but yeah, Dissidia Chaos is sad. Probably the most pitiable Final Fantasy villain ever.

[Naraku_Diabolos]

So why can't Vana'diel and Hydaelyn be parallels to one another but in different dimensions, but be connected to each other by the Void? I don't think that this will be the end for any more FFXI x FFXIV crossover events. I know it's been stated that there is no link between them, but there can be a type of link in being parallels to each other. Like a mirror world. Think about it. The only way to get there is to shatter the "Void" between their dimensions.

[CyrilLucifer]

So why can't Vana'diel and Hydaelyn be parallels to one another but in different dimensions, but be connected to each other by the Void? I don't think that this will be the end for any more FFXI x FFXIV crossover events. I know it's been stated that there is no link between them, but there can be a type of link in being parallels to each other. Like a mirror world. Think about it. The only way to get there is to shatter the "Void" between their dimensions.

Canonically, FFXI already has mirror worlds. In fact,

the FFXI world you play in is the mirror world. It's a false world created by their Goddess because she did not like the way history played out. This causes problems, as you might expect.

That being said, those mirror worlds are not as dramatically different from each other as Hydaelyn and Vana'diel. They are altered by a single change at an important time, rather than having completely different lore and creation mythos.

[Morningstar1337]

Canonically, FFXI already has mirror worlds. In fact,

the FFXI world you play in is the mirror world. It's a false world created by their Goddess because she did not like the way history played out. This causes problems, as you might expect.

That being said, those mirror worlds are not as dramatically different from each other as Hydaelyn and Vana'diel. They are altered by a single change at an important time, rather than having completely different lore and creation mythos.

But would Hydealyn be a similar case, Would the Universe (or Omniverse if you wanna count dimensions like the world of darkness) the players inhabit be in fact a different universe from the "true" universe (With Zodiark being its crystal)? Having the great Crytsals be akin to Promethia and Altana would explain a lot, not only about the Warriors of Darkness and their origins (and giving a grain of truth to the Ascian's reverance to Zodiark as the so-called "one true god") but might also canonize the datacenteres/servers as being paraellel universe, a "false" image willed by Hydaelyn after a critical moment.

[CyrilLucifer]

I agree, and those have been been some of the many theories floating around in my head, especially with the Promathia/Altana parallels, with Zodiark being a father or father-figure to the races to Hydaelyn's mother, which goes nicely with the themes of duality, and mortals having darkness within them as well as light.

I'm really fond of the general idea that Hydaelyn is not at all evil, but loves Her children too much. Like Altana, in Her desire to guard Her children and give them the best existence possible, Hydaelyn unravels the fabric of reality, hence the Ascians viewing Hydaelyn as a parasite.

Really, all we can do at this point is speculate. But speculation is fun.

[MaethusXion]

She is in our world permanently and will never get return back to Vana'diel, her new tale/story is in eorzea now. THAT there is how we are gonna get the samurai class, a class and teachings that will be passed down to us "The player" from another worldly character that comes from Vana'diel with skills unknown to our world.

She uses the Spear-like Naginata, so... TECHNICALLY she's a Lancer, not a Samurai...

[CyrilLucifer]

She uses the Spear-like Naginata, so... TECHNICALLY she's a Lancer, not a Samurai...

She's from Vana'diel, Samurai in Vana'diel use both Great Katana and Spears. She's definitely, absolutely a Samurai. especially given her relationship with a major character in XI who is the most powerful Samurai you encounter.

[Enkidoh]

She's from Vana'diel, Samurai in Vana'diel use both Great Katana and Spears. She's definitely, absolutely a Samurai. especially given her relationship with a major character in XI who is the most powerful Samurai you encounter.

Except lances were never SAM's best weapon in FFXI (usually SAM only ever bothered equipping one to abuse Penta Thrust), it was katana and great katana that what they were designed for. As for Iroha, she may be a SAM, but she's Vana'diel's version of a SAM, not Hydaelyn's (remember, Hydaelyn has a Far East too, and specifically, earlier in the storyline Yugiri and the Doman refugees hinted that there are ronin-like swordsmen in their homeland, meaning when SAM is eventually added to the game, it will be almost definitely a Doman who teaches the Job like NIN was, not a special npc from FFXI who happened to have FFXI's version of that Job.

And before you pass judgement, note how Shantotto was never referred to in FFXIV as anything but a 'sorceress' or 'witch', and not a BLM, because she is not an Eorzean BLM, but a Vana'dielian BLM. They may share certain traditional aspects and names, but their mechanics are completely different. But I digress...

[CyrilLucifer]

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That was actually my point. She follows Vana'diel's rules, not the rules of XIV. By the rules she follows, she is absolutely a SAM.

I also don't believe she will be teaching us the class, that's absurd. I was simply commenting on his Lancer bit.

[Cilia]

So why can't Vana'diel and Hydaelyn be parallels to one another but in different dimensions, but be connected to each other by the Void? I don't think that this will be the end for any more FFXI x FFXIV crossover events. I know it's been stated that there is no link between them, but there can be a type of link in being parallels to each other. Like a mirror world. Think about it. The only way to get there is to shatter the "Void" between their dimensions.

If you want to follow that logic, any Final Fantasy world can be a parallel to another but in a different dimension.

Vana'diel, besides being the other Final Fantasy MMO, is not special in that regard. There is no stronger connection between Vana'diel and Eorzea than there is a connection between Vana'diel and IX's Gaia or X's Spira. Why is this so hard to accept?