Diadem Gear > (Alex Norm / Savage, Crafting, PVP, VA, Extreme primals, tome) gear?

[Kallera]

People are completely missing the point of why Diadem is broken. It's not that you can get extremely good gear from it if you get super lucky on the secondary stat rolls. It's that you can get i210 gear without a weekly lockout. Why raid? Why do Void Ark? Why do dungeons or cap Esoterics? Just farm Diadem and you'll find yourself in full i210 in no time.

"No time" assuming the rng is gracious in the chest, the loot, which slot, the stats, your roll...and there will likely be better regardless.

You're looking a lot of 90 minutes, and a patient party to get bis everywhere. Even more so if you are going in pick up groups. If you are at that point with esos and perhaps a1s, mixing diadem gear with other 200,210 gear would be just as good to get you ready for 3.2's scene...which will also have activities to get people raising their ilvl and ready for raiding in 3.2, so why worry?

[Iagainsti]

People are completely missing the point of why Diadem is broken. It's not that you can get extremely good gear from it if you get super lucky on the secondary stat rolls. It's that you can get i210 gear without a weekly lockout. Why raid? Why do Void Ark? Why do dungeons or cap Esoterics? Just farm Diadem and you'll find yourself in full i210 in no time.

Besides Diadem, the only relevant content is Thordan EX and A4S due to the weapon drops. But once the relic comes out or the weapon upgrade thing is added to Void Ark, that content is invalidated too.

Diadem basically has the original Hunt problem, but to a larger degree. I posted this in another topic but apparently that topic got deleted or something.

/who cares have fun

[Nekodar]

Diadem is fun if played in a party rather than joining a zerg for chainpulling...
And it does not invalidate other content at all, unless the only thing you want is the chance to get BiS gear.

What do you even want the BiS gear for?

I'm doing diadem mainly for esoterics, pegasus and fun with my fc. If I happen to get Mistbreak gear that is better than what I wear currently, that's just a bonus.

[Mutemutt]

Honestly, I do find it a bit discouraging how easy it is to get really good gear from there compared to everything else in the game.

I wonder if it really needed i210 gear in the first place. I mean, I'd still want to run it for materia, the mount and gathering materials.

[Whiteroom]

Honestly, I do find it a bit discouraging how easy it is to get really good gear from there compared to everything else in the game.

I wonder if it really needed i210 gear in the first place. I mean, I'd still want to run it for materia, the mount and gathering materials.

Probably wanted good gear because the design is about as boring as they could have made it. Good drops is the only reason to go.

I really hope someone discovers some hidden thing that people can work togeather using both combat and gathering skills to spawn a super boss or something.

[Derio]

Considering the amount of time you are in there, most groups are in there the full time or close to it while void ark and others are less than 45 minutes assuming no wipes. Perhaps void ark and crafting will come into play better once 3.15 hits with relic weapons.

[StouterTaru]

I want to know. What is the point to raid 3.2 if in 3.3 we would know Diadem v2 could have the same gear or better? Take 3 months break, back to 3.3 and LF diadem "i want free gear".

Hell what's the point of this expansion at all? Just unsub for a year or so until the next expansion. The level cap will be higher and they will hand out better gear than anything from 3.x in the MSQ.

[Almalexia]

People are completely missing the point of why Diadem is broken. It's not that you can get extremely good gear from it if you get super lucky on the secondary stat rolls. It's that you can get i210 gear without a weekly lockout. Why raid? Why do Void Ark? Why do dungeons or cap Esoterics? Just farm Diadem and you'll find yourself in full i210 in no time.

You don't press a button for 90 minutes and walk out with full i210. You have to wade through vast swamps of undesirable trash before you attain a piece of gear that meets or exceeds gear of comparable ilvl for a job you even care about.

You're overselling this if you think it's a replacement for stat-locked items. Only no-lifer, haado core, elitist jackoffs like myself will get full i210 in a week and declare the game dead.

[Fevelle]

I'm loving to see all the rage towards Diadem. First people raged towards Alex NM gear, then raged against the Void Ark items to upgrade Eso and now they are raging at Diadem gear. This only serves to prove that some of the high-end players don't have the minimal consideration towards the casual playerbase.

[CosmicKirby]

Don't we all have many different, horizontal options for endgame gear now?

Alex ; Void ; Eso Upgrades ; Diadem

And of those, isnt Alex still the most reliable?

If Alex Savage 3 and 4 weren't so absurdly difficult, I'd agree. As it is, I think a disproportionately large amount of groups will find that grinding time in Diadem will be far preferable to grinding attempts on A3S and A4S. The gear could possibly be better, it's far easier, it takes about about the same amount of time, and it's far more lucrative for most players, being able to sell materia and mats for money and not having to worry about potions/food.

I certainly like the option, I just feel that there needs to be more benefits to Raiding if this model continues in the future, (which I hope it does).