Is it unreasonable to seek people at the part of a fight as you are?

[Squrilruler]

Well, people weren't taking issue with how he was using PF, they were taking issue with the timing. You can build your PF group however you want, but you should expect people to be upset with you if you're going to have progress requirements less than 24 hours into a patch.

Why is time relevant? If no one is up to meeting his terms, then his party won't fill. It is rude to join a party with stated requirements that you don't meet.

[Bhuni]

Lol it's quite hilarious seeing all the negative posts regarding this the entitlement is strong.

I've not even touched Thordan EX yet but when I do I'm not gonna hop into a party that's experienced in the fight and expect a fast easy kill it's just rude, my time isn't more important than anyone else's.

Though at least these folks were honest that they were fully fresh to the fight I'll give them that.

If they aren't capable of setting up a PF of their own with their own requirements then I'm sorry but stamping your feet and crying exclusion!! Isn't gonna get you your clear anytime soon.

Get out there and start recruiting like minded people with the same experience or lack of instead of expecting the community to hold your hand they don't owe you anything.

[Kit-Kat]

ing - Is it wrong/unreasonable to seek people at the same part of a fight that you are? To party finder for those parts, specifically? I welcome thoughts/opinions.

No it's not, but this is 2015, everyone is upset by everything. It is your party, your rules, PF exists for a reason.
For those posting "Yes, it's on first day" and so, get over it. You're not forced to join a specific party in PF and you shouldn't complain about it. He took his time to learn that first phase, why can't you? do you really need to be carried and taught by people who already know/did/in progress of finishing the fight? That whole entitlement is bullcrap tbh. Like you said, it's the first day, just make your own learning party and people will most likely join so you don't have to bother about what other people do with their lives.

[ElHeggunte]

Why is time relevant?

Less than 24 hours into a new patch when most of the playerbase had spent all day at school and/or at work only to come home, log on, and find someone already asking for experience on the brand new content? I could see how such a sight could be disheartening and garner the response that it did. I'm actually surprised the OP didn't expect people to be upset.

If no one is up to meeting his terms, then his party won't fill.

Of course, but whether or not his party even fills doesn't matter. What matters is why people were upset with him. And that matters because that's essentially what the thread is about: the OP looking for a reason why he got the responses he did.

It is rude to join a party with stated requirements that you don't meet.

I never said it wasn't. I'm actually on his side, in so far as making his own party however he wants and not wanting to repeatedly reteach the same part of the fight over and over. I just don't think the OP should be surprised that people responded the way they did.

I don't think the OP was wrong, but if I were in his shoes I would have waited a day or two before expecting a certain level of progress.

[Altijacek]

To clarify, OP did not act rudely, but managed to come across as a jerk for YES, having an unreasonable expectation (which limits him or herself more than anything). The expectation can come across as rude or disheartening to those that are just logging in because of other obligations. However, these are his rules and he has every right to make them and people should respect those rules if they enter the party.

To the OP, just realize that you're limiting yourself. Since it's still new, the people trying it are likely decent players. You might find a better replacement that learns quickly. And if you're that good at the charging phase, mark yourself and tell him to follow you. Problem solved in a heartbeat,seeing as the first phase is a joke. He will learn it after two or three attempts if he is a good player and if he's following you for charges it can't fail, at least according to you since you perfected this part.

[Squrilruler]

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People are essentially saying "You aren't playing the way I want to, therefore, you are in the wrong." Which is totally unfair. Their response should not be an accepted thing since OP is using PF exactly the way it was meant to.

Kuma_Aus put a nice post together that is exactly correct.

[Jamillion]

Your PF, your rules. Just don't expect the party to fill right away. I think it's impractical but not rude. However if you have someone join and kick them for one mistake assuming they lied that would be a jerk move.

[Ryel]

To the OP, just realize that you're limiting yourself. Since it's still new, the people trying it are likely decent players. You might find a better replacement that learns quickly. And if you're that good at the charging phase, mark yourself and tell him to follow you. Problem solved in a heartbeat,seeing as the first phase is a joke. He will learn it after two or three attempts if he is a good player and if he's following you for charges it can't fail, at least according to you since you perfected this part.

I never said it wasn't. I'm actually on his side, in so far as making his own party however he wants and not wanting to repeatedly reteach the same part of the fight over and over. I just don't think the OP should be surprised that people responded the way they did.

I don't think the OP was wrong, but if I were in his shoes I would have waited a day or two before expecting a certain level of progress.

Why does this matter? Like seriously why at all?

Look at the posts in this thread, they aren't just disagreeing but instead many posters are trying to paint the OP as a villain for setting requirements for a party they created in the PF. It shouldn't matter if they put up the party 30 seconds after the patch dropped, if they created the party they are welcome to set whatever requirements they wish just as players are welcome to not join the party.

Limiting themselves? Should have waited longer?

Who cares?

I see terms like "unreasonable" and "too early' being tossed around but Is every party that goes up in the PF now subject to a review by committee? Do we now have to ask if it's okay to set requirements or Is there some master list of when it's okay to put up parties for content and up to which phase that I'm unaware of now?

If so it would be great if someone could link it.

If the OP wants to create a party and weed through players for 3 hours until they find one they want then they should be welcome to.

I'm sure all of those "decent players" out there that are brand new to the fight and couldn't join the party were just as capable of hitting the 5 buttons and a few keystrokes to set up a learning party, i can promise it takes less effort than trying to argue their case in /tells and getting upset about it.

Would i personally have made a party like that? No, but i think the OP completely had the right to and anyone with conflicting views had the same opportunity to make a party of their own if they wished.

[Tyla_Esmeraude]

It is your PF and all but I think since the content is new, majority of people haven't tried it out yet so the way I see it you could lose more time trying to find someone from the small pool of players that have gotten farther into the fight than teaching someone. The first few mins of the fight are not even that hard to follow. I'd understand if you were about to clear it but if you are still midphase, I don't think the learning curve is that hard to teach new people. Then again I have a lot of patience and I'm very understanding, so I would handle it differently.

[Iris_BP]

Although it's your choice I honestly see no reason to ask for experience in the first part of the fight. It literally takes 2 minutes to explain:

- Look away on the dragons gaze;
- don't stand near others when purle mark is above your head;
- gather for shared damage AoE;
- gather in center after heel;
- break chains, stand near a pillar if noone is there;
- dps hard;
- go to waymark to avoid charges;
- only dps the knight with a sword oath (can change);
- you see a blue prey mark? run far away from the party.
(if tank is new add CD for tankbuster).

That's it, it's not hard to explain at all. Meteors are a completely different animal, people have to have experience with them, but it just needs practice.

What bugs me the most is the ridiculous ilvl requirements form people. If you put ilvl205 in PF be ready to sit there forever, waiting for people who cleared savage enough times...