More locked content Airship Expeditions.

[LaurelinKementari]

Why are people so vehemently against SE adding more houses? I know people like to act that every problem in the game is just the fault of the players and that the dev team can do no wrong, but sheesh, we're making excuses for this game's housing situation now? Really?

[Catwho]

Why are people so vehemently against SE adding more houses? I know people like to act that every problem in the game is just the fault of the players and that the dev team can do no wrong, but sheesh, we're making excuses for this game's housign situation now? Really?

None of us are against them adding more houses.

I'm just tired of 3 people FCs whining that they're locked out of content and waiting for SE to fix it, rather than taking proactive steps to solve the problem themselves.

My FC is a product of the merger of two smaller FCs. The two groups (one FFXI vets, one WoW and other MMO hobos in the Atlanta area) meshed nicely and we emerged much stronger from the union.

[Fevelle]

So: Hard is not better for getting coins. Maybe for getting 210 equips but for coins the best is easy. On a full party you can kill nearly 100 monsters on easy, since my party killed like 48 with only 4 - 3 were gathering and the other one left, so there's nothing 'locked' here.

[Nashred]

None of us are against them adding more houses.

I'm just tired of 3 people FCs whining that they're locked out of content and waiting for SE to fix it, rather than taking proactive steps to solve the problem themselves.

My FC is a product of the merger of two smaller FCs. The two groups (one FFXI vets, one WoW and other MMO hobos in the Atlanta area) meshed nicely and we emerged much stronger from the union.

But again this affects large and small FC.. This actually gives the advantage to the Fc that been in the game longer and got a piece of land early on and has nothing to do with the size of a FC.

It great a merger worked for you. I have been through lots of them and they rarely work mainly because one of the leaders ends up leaving. Not everyone wants to merge.

Also You know me and I am not part of a FC right now period.
So this has nothing to do with me period.
People have every right to have a small group.


The problem here is housing but everyone has to make excuses for SE all the time. This little 45 days thing is not going to make a nick in housing situation. People will now just make sure they step in their house, it does not make them actually use it. Give people a reason to use their houses.
I can see taking away a house from some one who is not subbing because they no longer pay and give up rights to this game, that is different.. But that is a different argument.

Fact is before they launched this they should have has some housing for FC's that wanted one.

What gets me is people think just because it does not affect them it is ok.. Pretty selfish if you ask me.

Why does a small group annoy you anyway?

[jazo]

welp, we fell into an argument cycle

Side A: "It locked, FC can't access content"
Side B: "is not locked, you just need, FC, house, airship and time"
Side A: "there are FC that cant get a house, not enough plots, content still locked to those people"
Side B: "Those people can join another FC that has house"
Side A: "It doesn't work for our FC, other FC end bad doing that and people don't want to leave our FC"
Side B: "Well thats they problem, but content is not locked"
Side A: "But content is still locked for those FCs"

And it repeats...

[Reinha]

You can join any fc's exploration mission. You don't have to leave your own fc or even be in one to do the Hard missions. People just need to make connections or actively look for PF entries if they don't have access to a fc house. Nothing locked here.

[Nashred]

welp, we fell into an argument cycle

Side A: "It locked, FC can't access content"
Side B: "is not locked, you just need, FC, house, airship and time"
Side A: "there are FC that cant get a house, not enough plots, content still locked to those people"
Side B: "Those people can join another FC that has house"
Side A: "It doesn't work for our FC, other FC end bad doing that and people don't want to leave our FC"
Side B: "Well thats they problem, but content is not locked"
Side A: "But content is still locked for those FCs"

And it repeats...

But you forgot people pick on one little point of argument and dont look at the whole picture or the actual meaning behind the post. The real point is this is going to hurt a FC that dont have a house and that was the main point not if the content is actually locked or not. Technically it may not be but it is to those FC's that wanted to do it as a FC alone it isn't available to them because they do not have a house or not everyone wants too leave their FC to join another...



Your right and I said my piece So I am done.
I dont even belong to a FC's right now so it is not a big deal too me anyway.
I was just standing up for these FC's that dont have a house.

[Catwho]

You can join any fc's exploration mission. You don't have to leave your own fc or even be in one to do the Hard missions. People just need to make connections or actively look for PF entries if they don't have access to a fc house. Nothing locked here.

Playing devil's advocate: The concern is that a small FC without a house and an airship can't do "FC exclusive" parties. That is, they are being forced to join forces with other people who have content access if they want to do Hard Mode. They'll have to play with the other mean people on the server who can't be trusted or who are jerks. Or perhaps they gather at a weird time zone for their server (5AM EST on a NA server) and there's literally no one else they can play with at that time.

[dank1]

This point seems to get lost on a lot of people. SE envisioned Free Companies are large alliances of people with smaller breakout groups using linkshells for smaller units of content. Instead, people formed tiny free companies with only a few people, losing out on all the advantages a larger group could offer. Smart free companies whose membership fell off ended up merging early on, but some folks are just so stubborn about keeping their exclusive tiny group. From an emotional standpoint it makes sense, but from a logical standpoint it's playing the game wrong.

I was hoping FC alliances would make it into this patch. It wouldn't solve the lack of housing, but it'd be a good temporary bridge for FC oriented content.



The question is, why are you trying to recruit instead of trying to merge with another group that already has a house and airship?

Edit: Oh, hi Nashred. /wave

That's the issue, it's not even just here. Its reoccurring in most themepark mmos where everything is just handed to you. People hide under the guise of "being antisocial". I have social anxiety and handling issues in game and speaking over a text based system isn't an issue. Joining a guild with other people where the chat can be shut off at will isn't an issue. I understand if your anxiety is so bad that you cannot in any possible way be part of an FC then yeah make your own fc with yourself or whatever it is people do but dont demand the benefits of larger FCs.

That said the people who are saying it's not about the size of the FC, it's land, doesn't know how to read between lines and look at the root of the issue. If 20 small FCs that each have a house all merged and only had 1 house, how much plots does that free up? Don't be daft.


And like another guy mentioned, form an alliance with a guild with airships if for whatever reason you dont think merging your guild is a good idea (though personally i wouldnt allow guilds to piggyback off my FCs work)

p.s I know someone's going to nitpick because they don't have a proper counter argument so I'll it now, most times I use guild and FC interchangeably

[NovaLevossida]

I don't see any reason to defend the decision to lock FC content behind the housing market. It follows:

1. SE has known for a long time that there is a major housing shortage problem on high population servers.
2. SE implements airships as the product of FC housing.
3. FC airships take time to build and develop.
4. SE locks exploration's Hard mode behind FC airships.
5. At the time of exploration's implementation, they implement the house decay system.
6. The house decay system kicks in a month and a half after the content has been out in a best case scenario.
7. FCs that get a house as a result of the house decay system won't have three airships up and running for Hard mode until 2016.

They should have done the following if they were going to lock FC content behind FC housing:
1. Implement new housing areas.
-or-
2. Implement house decay system with the launch of the expansion so that houses would be available well ahead of the content requiring house ownership.

Or, still, they could have made an option for FCs without houses to build an airship through Ishgard itself or through Cid's workshop. Instead, we have the worst of all possible choices. That is my major issue with this. Saying "you can take steps to solve the problem by begging other FCs to take you along, merging with FCs, etc." completely undermines the entire point of the Hard mode version. It's FC content, and no one should have to merge FCs or start splitting FC members into subgroups to run with other FCs because SE gated it behind housing and couldn't implement an option for FCs that don't have a house when they've known about the housing problem for such a long time.

For the record, I'm in an FC that doesn't have a house. We have the members to run the content, but we, as an FC, cannot do the FC content because of the arbitrary housing restriction. If we can snag a house on the day the first house collapses, great; we'll be able to do the FC content as a FC in 2016 when 3.1 is at least a couple of months old at that point. That's just ridiculous.