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  1. #51
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    KarstenS's Avatar
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    Lilli Karani
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    Odin
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    Reaper Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Evaddaragon View Post
    August 2013: When CM and Prae got released, we still skipped cutscenes. Why? The content was tuned so that our ilvls 45-50 would actually run out of time if we'd watch them.
    I'm playing that game since the closed beta and my current main char since day one of the open beta. I really can't remember such an issue.

    Maybe with ppl that are performing so bad, like that ones who are still not able to beat faust in A1 normal. But in general, there wasn't an issue.
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    Videos mit der Hauptgeschichte und ausgewählten Nebenquestreihen (deutsch): https://www.youtube.com/user/KSVideo100

  2. #52
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    Solarra's Avatar
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    Sylbritt Muscadet
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    Cerberus
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    Archer Lv 89
    I agree with the people saying your FC is the best way to go. It's a bad design and assuming added incentives wouldn't work, there isn't a way to keep everyone happy.

    A small improvement that wouldn't inconvenience anyone would be to improve the experience of watching the cut-scenes at the inn. At the moment, each little piece has to be clicked on separately and some segments are hard to find. A 'play-all' option for each section of the story would be a nice addition.
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  3. #53
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    Quote Originally Posted by Evaddaragon View Post
    August 2013: When CM and Prae got released, we still skipped cutscenes. Why? The content was tuned so that our ilvls 45-50 would actually run out of time if we'd watch them. No, seriously.

    Asking seven strangers to wait for one? It's just not going to happen. Expecting otherwise simply is unrealistic.

    As others said, there are alternate methods: The Party Finder, or an Undersized Party. Indeed, I'm pretty sure a level 60 tank with ilvl170+ can actually solo CM and Prae.
    I don't know what kind of groups you were in but that was never an issue, if you seriously took that long with CSs you may needed to rethink how you're playing the game, None of there were even that long, The only way you would run out of time is if everyone watched the CSs and stood in them for 10-20 mins each time. shouldn't have to ask 7 strangers to be considerate, if time is an issue then you shouldn't have qued up to begin with, in a story dungeon.
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  4. #54
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    Dante_V's Avatar
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    Dante Venarra
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    Jenova
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    Dark Knight Lv 100
    It's bad design all over. People advocating for forcing others to watch cutscenes are just asking for hour long queue times when no one wants to watch 30 mins of cutscenes for very little reward at all.

    If you want to go thru It with cutscenes make a of or an FC group for it. There are ways to do it. DF is not one of them.
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  5. #55
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    Cheraa's Avatar
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    Cheraa Zedd
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    Odin
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    Paladin Lv 60
    I did it back in August this year an just watched all the CS in the Raid. After that I joined again to see the Boss fights.
    It was a really bad design back in the days. Good that in current Content CS are mostly at leaving a Dungeon/Trial.
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  6. #56
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    ElHeggunte's Avatar
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    Naiyah Nanaya
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    Diabolos
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    Monk Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Blood-Aki View Post
    I don't know what kind of groups you were in but that was never an issue, if you seriously took that long with CSs you may needed to rethink how you're playing the game, None of there were even that long, The only way you would run out of time is if everyone watched the CSs and stood in them for 10-20 mins each time. shouldn't have to ask 7 strangers to be considerate, if time is an issue then you shouldn't have qued up to begin with, in a story dungeon.
    I've never timed out before, but I was once in a Praetorium group that decided to let the new players watch their cutscenes and one of them took nearly 20 minutes per scene. The other two took their time watching and they were still done in about five minutes each so we ended up taking wildly long periods of time waiting on one guy. He wouldn't respond when we tried addressing him either and tended to die a lot in every boss fight. I could never decide if he was a troll, a bot, or merely an asshole, but he certainly ruined everyone's good time, including the other new players because we spent so much time standing around waiting for him. So it does happen.
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    With this character's death, the thread of prophecy remains intact.

  7. #57
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    Kaedrian Kaeng
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    Tonberry
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    Marauder Lv 60


    idk how many times ive reposted this. the solution is ingame, just no one wants to use it. There are enough friendly players ingame that may by chance see the PF party with the comment "No Cutscene skipping" and think "hmmm i was asked to skip back in the day, maybe i should go back and enjoy it with this party."

    You will probably wait 1-2 hours but it will be worth it.
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  8. #58
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    Fohl Hakuko
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    Goblin
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    Paladin Lv 60
    I'm a bit torn on this one honestly. I understand why there's a roulette for these two. It's because otherwise, who in the world would want to go back and do these (aside from FC's helping each other, but not everyone has this option). Both of them are also a bit complex in the series of events you need to do. Not that they couldn't figure it out, but I can imagine an entire group of totally clueless people taking over an hour to figure out the mechanics.

    With the CURRENT mentality going around with all the speed runners, I usually ask if anyone's new and if so, that newcomer's skip the cutscenes (before we start running things). I tell them that people won't wait around otherwise and it's best to get to know the mechanics of the dungeon and how it works by following the group, then go back and watch. One player during a run however contradicted me saying that they should do nothing and just watch all the cutscenes all the way through and by the time they're done, we should be complete with the dungeon (but once again, I think it's pointless to do this as then they player will have zero clue how to run the dungeon when they go back at a higher level to get the roulette xp and poetic's).

    I think player's should be able to watch the cutscenes, but I will also say... they are indeed quite long... I waited for someone once and we ended up getting all 7 other players to sync up the manderville dance waiting before fighting ultima. But yea... we waited for about 8 min. Each cutscene is like, 5-10 minutes. For people who've played through and are grinding xp and poetics, I can understand not wanting to take an hour on this dungeon. My first time running it, I was cut out of a few boss fights and I WAS skipping cutscenes. They were just moving so fast, I couldn't even keep up after clicking the "skip cutscene" option. So far though, I've not run into a single new player to those dungeon's that didn't appreciate my advice. The only one's that disliked my mindset to slow us down maybe an extra 5 min total were the ahole jerk speed runners.

    And honestly, I love my FC because whenever a newer member reaches that point, our most active are tanks and healers. So we often bring in both tanks and both healers to these and only get DPS to join us on the sync if we don't have any extra online. So with this being the case, we run the dungeon at whatever pace is needed and if the jerks want to complain, we have the majority vote. They can leave if they dislike it and miss out on the daily roulette. Granted, we probably turn these dungeon runs from 20 min long speed runs to MAYBE 25 (30 at most if we wipe for some odd reason or if we need to give explanations). We're still efficient speed runners. Just not jerks who leave half the party behind on elevators for the sake of "speed running".
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  9. #59
    Player Dererk's Avatar
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    Dererk Titan
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    Ultros
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    Dark Knight Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by 8710SqualI View Post
    So my question is, does Square plan to do some work around this to make the cutscenes. Preferably FORCE those to watch them so people can actually PARTICIPATE in the battles?

    Yes, force others. My gf didn't even get to enjoy the boss fights in Praetorium tonight because they all rushed ahead!

    This will never happen if they made it so people wer forced to watch it with the new people no one would join.

    The Cut scenes aren't on auto play you have to click to progress them. This means that people can troll by just not doing any thing you'll be caught in a limbo. Not being able to do anything not to mention you cant even report it because you cant get to the report options.

    The roulette is there so new people can get it done if they did this people would never do it because theys be too scared to do it.
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    Last edited by Dererk; 11-10-2015 at 11:37 AM.

  10. #60
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    Marcellus Cassius
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    Hyperion
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    Warrior Lv 70
    Simple fix: Place the cutscene at the completion of the entry quest
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