Savage Clear rate being lower the Devs expected, good or a bad thing?

[Awful]

To have a low rate of completion IS GOOD.
Then when they name that FFXIV is super casual, I can take a big breath with pride and say "Did you do Alexander Savage?" and shut their mouth instantly.

So with that logic should I go around saying everyone is bad because they didn't clear SCOB Savage and parade around with my titles? I've done AS1-2 and stopped at 3 because I was tired of cycling people out as a raid leader because the new people we got didn't meet the DPS checks, my old static friends left because it was the same boring crap as 2.0. There's no incentive to get better gear as 3.1 will give us 210 gear + ways to upgrade Esoteric gear. Coming from someone who cleared Savage coil and cleared final coil pre echo saying you cleared Alex savage means nothing to me, nor am I better than anyone either I enjoyed the game in 2.0 now I barely log on and have become casual as I just don't care anymore.

3.2 is probably where we will see some significant changes (hopefully) within the raiding scene, i've hung up my sword as a tank for progression raids it's not worth the headaches of playing "truth or dare with Pepsiman" in AS3 and it's more of a chore than actually enjoying the current content. There were days that I loved just being on and discovering new things and tricks in the game, how to overcome BRUTAL encounters and actually have a payoff in Alex Savage all you have is misery and i'll stand by that as a long term raider that used to play in Vanilla > BC > Wrath, FF14 and many other MMOs.

[Nadirah]

Hate to break it to you, but this is an mmo designed for a western market.

Each new raid patch *will* make your old gear obsolete, and the next nonraid patch *will* make raid equivalent gear easier to get.

That's been standard practice in western games forever.

Unpopular opinion: FFXI is an outlier, most games don't do horizontal progression, and the vast majority that do are older, Asian games.

[Zenji]

Those people weren't the target audience for Savage.

Yea, but your target audience makes up a small percentage of players. Look at the percentage of players even attempting savage. Would have easily been double if it wasn't for Alex normal.

[Iromi]

Yea, but your target audience makes up a small percentage of players. Look at the percentage of players even attempting savage. Would have easily been double if it wasn't for Alex normal.

Yea, it confuses me what the devs or yoshida is trying to accomplish. They say they dont put in certain content cuz hardly anyone will do it..then for our end game this is what we get? Something that less than 1% of the player base does?

I agree with Awful, there is no reason to do this anymore...

[Nektulos-Tuor]

NA players are pretty smart. Why do content/gear that will get replaced in 3 months? A waste of time pretty much, unless they make the rewards actually interesting.

http://imgur.com/SgCo11p

This is from the new WoW expansion I think? Not the point, look at the gears effects and how interesting they are. If Raids had gear with effects on it then we would be clearing it in a heartbeat.

However as it is right now.. yeah.. no incentive.

[Martin_Arcainess]

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This is from the new WoW expansion I think? Not the point, look at the gears effects and how interesting they are. If Raids had gear with effects on it then we would be clearing it in a heartbeat.

However as it is right now.. yeah.. no incentive.

By that logic what would be the point in getting any gear at all? You get gear, it gets replaced may it be 3 or 6 months or even 2 years the gear you have will always be replaced.

The Incentive, well you can't say 1 exact thing for someone as we all have our own reason to get the latest gear.

1. To have it before everyone else does.
2. To increase your iLV as you like to see your character get stronger.
3. To clear hard content as you enjoy it and the gear is just a bonus reward for it.
4. It's currently your BIS so your aiming to get that gear.

For me and a few other people we see it as like this race, compared thing, like:

Friend: "My iLVis 199"
Me: "Ha well mine is 202"
Friend: "Ahh you git I'll surpass you"
Friend 2: "204"
Both of us: "What?!?"

[Nektulos-Tuor]

By that logic what would be the point in getting any gear at all? You get gear, it gets replaced may it be 3 or 6 months or even 2 years the gear you have will always be replaced.

The Incentive, well you can't say 1 exact thing for someone as we all have our own reason to get the latest gear.

1. To have it before everyone else does.
2. To increase your iLV as you like to see your character get stronger.
3. To clear hard content as you enjoy it and the gear is just a bonus reward for it.
4. It's currently your BIS so your aiming to get that gear.

Exactly. However gear with special effects on it does not get replaced so easily. For example I had healing gauntlets in EQ2 which I used for 2 years even with less stats because I loved the effect so much.

Guess what? Tuesday Alexander Savage gear will be outdated.

iLvL is a barely increase in strength. NOT worth the trouble, sorry.

1. To have it before everyone else does.

Your 4% better. Who cares? The gear is ugly.

2. To increase your iLV as you like to see your character get stronger.

Barely noticeable. Don't care.

3. To clear hard content as you enjoy it and the gear is just a bonus reward for it.

I don't enjoy throwing my face and dying over and over again and zerging a boss until its dead. Glad you enjoy it, but there is nothing in it for me.

4. It's currently your BIS so your aiming to get that gear.

4% better gear isn't noticeable, as I said before. Who cares if its best in slot when you are only 4% weaker doing easier things?

3 more days until that "BiS" gear is replaced.

Yea, but your target audience makes up a small percentage of players. Look at the percentage of players even attempting savage. Would have easily been double if it wasn't for Alex normal.

No, it would be even less. Alexander normal is actually really fun and well designed, rewards are worth running for it. I loved Alexander normal.

Alexander Savage is whats worthless.

[Malevicton]

Look at the percentage of players even attempting savage. Would have easily been double if it wasn't for Alex normal.

Look at a statistic that hasn't been released to prove your guess?

You sure you aren't thinking of the clear rates from a 3 month old census?

[Nadirah]

NA players are pretty smart. Why do content/gear that will get replaced in 3 months? A waste of time pretty much, unless they make the rewards actually interesting.

http://imgur.com/SgCo11p

This is from the new WoW expansion I think? Not the point, look at the gears effects and how interesting they are. If Raids had gear with effects on it then we would be clearing it in a heartbeat.

However as it is right now.. yeah.. no incentive.

NA/EU raiders have flocked to games that completely replace your gear every patch for 10 years.

You're crazy. And linking crap from a game that just told us 10 more months of no new content .

[Nektulos-Tuor]

NA/EU raiders have flocked to games that completely replace your gear every patch for 19 years.

You're crazy. And linking crap from a game that just told us 10 more months of no new content .

If your saying "19" years you would include Everquest/Everquest II/SWG in that category and you would be VERY incorrect then. There are items I have used up to 5 years to 10 because the effects can be stacked on certain items and cept forever. It seems to me like you don't play very many games. An easy example would be mythical weapons, which you can replace for passive buffs that give you the effect your weapon had.

I didn't link it for the "Game" I linked it for the items effects so I could show you a simple example. If you "actually" read you would know that.

Can you actually read my post? Here is what it said:

This is from the new WoW expansion I think? Not the point, look at the gears effects and how interesting they are. If Raids had gear with effects on it then we would be clearing it in a heartbeat.