I don't want to tank dungeons anymore...

[WinterLuna]

Some people seems to assume that I was forcing my speed on the others, which was not the case. My frustration came from the fact that I would have made the advancement faster if I could have time to judge the group itself but it didn't happened. I aggroed the first 2 mob from the dungeon and suddenly the healer goes on a sprint and gets all the others without warning. He almost died too because I wasn't facing them with the camera at the moment it happened.

Guess who would have been blamed... :/

In that case it's the healers fault. You can always ask at the start of the dungeon if people are okay with large pulls too though

[LordLonghammer]

I main Warrior right My alt is a Drk main. If a dps smart enough to worry about stacks and want to push themselves and go fast, you shouldn't ever have a problem with running dry on TP or cool downs. It might be hard to swallow but the tanks don't run the group, it's just that... A group. If you want the whole party to play how you play I would suggest putting up a pf, but if 3/4 people are geared and have other stuff they want to do, but need to do roulette you better hold on cowboy because you're in for a ride. The honest truth is, as someone that was a dps main for almost 2yrs. If you complain or leave it usually makes you look like an idiot to the rest of the group because the way content is tuned, they don't NEED You to clear roulette its just VASTLY more convenient.

[Darkshade]

we had a tank DC the other day in fractal and just went ahead and speed pulled the rest of the dungeon w/o him drg blm sch

the next day we did full healer 1 AST 1 SCH 2 WHM fractal premade and also speed pulled, that was a lot of fun

[HalfLegend]

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All what I want is to avoid useless wipe. When the said situation happen, it's always without warning and usually end in a wipe. A group needs a small bit of leadership, which is most of the time attribued to the tank/guy who did it many time. If everyone just goes do what they want by assuming things, then there is a problem. I may have played FF14 for only 1 year, but the many others MMO's I have played for the last 10 years have proven that this comportement is all but acceptable.

[Kit-Kat]

I once had a tank who was going afk for few minutes on every pull so my friend (monk) and I (sch) decided to clear mobs on our own to not waste time and tank raged because we killed mobs while he wasn't even here to pull. We didn't even need him and he had the you pull, you tank attitude and didn't want to help anymore moving around as we kept killing trash and bosses and raged when he got kicked. :I

[Ashkendor]

If a dps smart enough to worry about stacks and want to push themselves and go fast, you shouldn't ever have a problem with running dry on TP or cool downs... ...If you complain or leave it usually makes you look like an idiot to the rest of the group because the way content is tuned, they don't NEED You to clear roulette its just VASTLY more convenient.

This applies to DPS too though. The only role that's arguably needed is healer, though I think a skilled tank doing small enough pulls might actually be able to go without. I've cleared Expert dungeons while putting out more damage than both DPS as a Paladin. The EX roulette dungeons don't exactly have any hard DPS checks in them. The funny thing is, I've seen a really poorly geared DPS be so worried about using up their stacks that they sprint and Deathflare the next mob when the healer was low on MP from casting Holy to help kill the previous pack. That's not acting in the best interest of the group at all. Seriously, losing your stacks isn't the end of the world. It's annoying, but it's not like you can never get them back. If the tank needs to wait for TP or MP or hell if someone talks to them IRL or in FC chat and they pause to answer, suck it up. Waiting a couple of seconds for the tank to pull is a lot more conducive to the group clearing than creating a mess for them to clean up is.

[HalfLegend]

I once had a tank who was going afk for few minutes on every pull so my friend (monk) and I (sch) decided to clear mobs on our own to not waste time and tank raged because we killed mobs while he wasn't even here to pull. We didn't even need him and he had the you pull, you tank attitude and didn't want to help anymore moving around as we kept killing trash and bosses and raged when he got kicked. :I

To be honest, if he was always taking break I don't see why he got so mad. I mean, he wasn't even there. It's not like you pulled them while he was already tanking. These special case does not valide the ''you pull, you tank'' attitude

[Gokuhan]

This is a big problem with the community. Everyone complains there isn't enough tanks, but then people in the DF make a tanks life hell so that they don't want to join up in the DF anymore.

[Malevicton]

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Communication is indeed key, but if people ask for bigger pulls and you refuse then you're being inconsiderate.

you can do slow pulls without ever using a heal. No one is incapable of pulling more than 1 group at a time. By 60 if you haven't figured out how to hold hate and use cooldowns, then you're doing something very very wrong, and you should work on that instead of just throwing up your hands, giving up on getting better, and inconveniencing every group you ever get.

You don't need to pull everything, but there's honestly no reason to pull one group at a time. Y'all can keep coming up with whatever excuses you want, but at the end of the day it's just laziness or bad play. And neither of those things are your group's fault.

[Fenral]

Communication is indeed key, but if people ask for bigger pulls and you refuse then you're being inconsiderate.

Each time I get in heavensward's dungeons, a dps or more ofter the healer (yeah the healer) just go foward and pull the mobs before me. I tell them not to, they get mad and start blabbering things like he doesn't have time for this and I should be pulling more. I am not a bad tank, in fact, I usually don't have issue with more bobs at once.

You don't need to pull everything, but there's honestly no reason to pull one group at a time. Y'all can keep coming up with whatever excuses you want, but at the end of the day it's just laziness or bad play. And neither of those things are your group's fault.

Please actually read the first post, understand the topic, and for the love of effing god, stop trying to turn this discussion into "big pulls are always objectively right or you're just bad." That's not even the issue being discussed.

The problem is people besides the tank trying to set the pace without communicating. People who communicate can sort things out and come to terms, and you may be surprised that a mutually agreed-upon pace does, in fact, lead to a smoother and faster run than just assuming bigger is always better.