3.1 : Astrologian "adjustments''

[Pomelo]

The Royal Road tweak surely cannot be the only change we get, I suppose they are waiting for the longer final patch notes before they show how much they have done...

Here's hoping they don't destroy the job :/

[KarstenS]

AST is only on par with WHM.

Wishes not always becomes true.

I'm playing both (see sig. Lilli is my WHM. Shinka is my AST). I have any content clear except A3S and A4S on both. In A3S I know the fight up to the end of tornado phase (so only one phase is left I didn't could practise).

The overall healing and oCD toolkit of the whitemage is still much stronger. But the number of whitemages that know how to get the max potency out of it, is very low.

But it would not be bad if the AST is the healer with the lowest healing potency. We don't need a second whitemage or scholar. AST should be different. If not, there would be no reason at all for that class. But as long the special point of the AST class is random and not reliable, the AST will be always stay behind the other healing classes in raids.

[Vlady]

Can the astrologian replace the white mage as the healer while the scholar goes into dps mode? Yes. Can the astrologian handle burst healing on tanks which is the real meta of savage mode right now? Yes. Can the astrologian provide meaingful buffs that does not affect the ability to continue to provide the level of healing needed to down the encounters comfortably on the same level as the white mage? Depends on mistakes and strength of aoe healing needed which is the only thing the white mage has a slight edge on. Other then that the white mage no longer holds the advantage it should in raw healing.

[KarstenS]

Can the astrologian replace the white mage as the healer while the scholar goes into dps mode? Yes.

Belongs to what you do expect. The difference is potency. As a whitemage I can solo heal way more than as an AST. Result: the scholar can provide more DPS than paired up with an AST.

Your profile show me no hint that you ever cleared any turn of AS. In your profile the whitemage is still Lvl 50. So how do you think you are qualified to argue against my onw first hand experiences?

[Ghishlain]

I figure I'll just put my two cents on the table since it's talked about so much in these last few pages.

• AST's Benefic, Benefic II, and Helios are slightly more powerful than WHMs Cure, Cure II, and Medica when you allow for Diurnal's Sect bonus. Admittedly, Haste has always been a weird thing for healers because you should never be in a position to chain heal, but AST spells will always land faster than WHM spells giving it a very minor edge.
• When looking at raw power, Aspected Benefic wins. Aspected Benefic gives you 1,030 Potency in 18 seconds. Regen gives you 900 Potency in the same 18 seconds. While you will have to apply Apsected Benefic more often, it still gives you more healing over the same period of time versus Regen at the cost of more MP and more GCDs used. And of course it's always encouraged to have your single target HoT up 100% of the time outside of a few select instances (add spawning, for example).
• Essential Dignitiy should be compared to Tetragrammaton - not Benediction. Both serve as similar burst heal buttons on short recasts. When you do that comparison, you get three EDs off in same time you get two Tetras. If the target is below 80% of their max health on each ED application, ED will heal for more in that same two minute period. ED overall wins this argument in my mind.
• If the AST gets two ticks of CU out, CU actually does more healing than Asylum. CU at 6 ticks (holding still for two server ticks) grants 900 Potency of heal to the target(s). Asylum caps at 800 Potency. It's still situational which one is better however, as CU does indeed ground the AST for two+ ticks (as rightfully noted)
• I don't like the comparison to all the traits - but there is one trait does need mentioning and that's Freecure. Freecure is what gives WHM the longevity and power that surpasses AST and nothing can take that away from WHM. Anyone advocating Enhanced Benefic should equal Freecure needs to realize if you do that, you're stripping one of the most potent tools available to the WHM repertoire.

Also, where's Disable in the list? WHM has no equal from the base toolkit until you start taking into account cross classes.

[File2ish]

Can the astrologian replace the white mage as the healer while the scholar goes into dps mode?...

Can AST be the main healer when partnered with a SCH? Yes, because AST's primary role is healing and it needs to be strong enough to work in party situations long enough to mostly keep up with what WHM and SCH can pull off in the healing game. Otherwise AST would never be allowed into parties.

Can AST handle burst healing on tanks? Yes, because AST's primary role is healing and was given the abilities to handle tank busting situations.

However, because AST can do these things doesn't mean AST has the edge over WHM in these fields. WHM has a wider and better variety of tools to boost healing potency. While AST is able to keep up in healing heavy situations, WHM has an easier time handling the situations overall. The raw healing ability of WHM is much stronger than AST's, especially in party-wide situations.

Synastry is essentially AST's go to healing buff. It's a nice boost to our healing on the target and still allows us to heal that target while using single target spells on other party members (AoE's do not transfer to MT via Synastry). However, WHM has Divine Seal, which boosts the potency of ALL of their healing arsenal, including AoEs. Which means every tick Regen and Medica II heal are also boosted by Divine Seal, this is not the case for Synastry.

[File2ish]

I figure I'll just put my two cents on the table since it's talked about so much in these last few pages.

• When looking at raw power, Aspected Benefic wins. Aspected Benefic gives you 1,030 Potency in 18 seconds. Regen gives you 900 Potency in the same 18 seconds. While you will have to apply Apsected Benefic more often, it still gives you more healing over the same period of time versus Regen at the cost of more MP and more GCDs used. And of course it's always encouraged to have your single target HoT up 100% of the time outside of a few select instances (add spawning, for example).

Just saying, Regen does 7 ticks of 150 potency (1 tick is 3 seconds, regen lasts 21 seconds). That's 1050 potency, not 900.

[Fevelle]

Also, where's Disable in the list? WHM has no equal from the base toolkit until you start taking into account cross classes.

Cleric Stance ate it.

Seriously, they should at least make Cleric Stance into a general action much like LB, but only for the healers. It's just a waste having it as an actual skill.

[Ghishlain]

Just saying, Regen does 7 ticks of 150 potency (1 tick is 3 seconds, regen lasts 21 seconds). That's 1050 potency, not 900.

You missed the bit where I said "over the same period of time". Assuming you maintain Regen and Aspected Benefic on the tank 100% of the time after hate is established, Aspected Benefic will give you more potency over the course of the entire fight.

Notice how Aspected Benefic is 1,030 Potency over 6 ticks while Regen is 1,050 potency over 7 ticks.

Aspected Benefic = more potent
Regen = more MP efficient and more potent/GCD

It's a small but very important difference when looking at the two spells side-by-side that a lot of players tend to ignore.

[NamoNanamo]

stuff

Your comparison is still awful and It's not even about your math.
But Who care ? I'm just a crying baby whm /sarcasm

Synastry is essentially AST's go to healing buff. It's a nice boost to our healing on the target and still allows us to heal that target while using single target spells on other party members (AoE's do not transfer to MT via Synastry). However, WHM has Divine Seal, which boosts the potency of ALL of their healing arsenal, including AoEs. Which means every tick Regen and Medica II heal are also boosted by Divine Seal, this is not the case for Synastry.

Synastry got also 20% increase healing. It's 10% less than Divine seal and his cd Is 50% longer but that's not that bad.

Belongs to what you do expect. The difference is potency. As a whitemage I can solo heal way more than as an AST. Result: the scholar can provide more DPS than paired up with an AST.

I can solo heal way more with my Astro but It will depend a lot thing(a1/2/3S?).

So how do you think you are qualified to argue against my onw first hand experiences?

It wasn't for me, I know. But I think I'm qualified to argue :P

Anw, Can we talk about fflogs on this forum ?