The people who expect too much from a monthly subscription kill this game

[Miscreant]

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You know that the sub supports servers and all of that stuff to right, we're not just paying for updates. I would happily pay more than we do now if we got more content, the sub fee at the moment is negligible it's less than the cost of two-three pints, if you can't afford to afford it you should probably be out finding a job instead of playing games.

[Elvin]

You know that the sub supports servers and all of that stuff to right, we're not just paying for updates. I would happily pay more than we do now if we got more content, the sub fee at the moment is negligible it's less than the cost of two-three pints, if you can't afford to afford it you should probably be out finding a job instead of playing games.

Why do you say such non sense? XD

That argument doesn't make sense. It doesn't matter if its afordable or not. A bread bar for 5$ woud be affordable, but it's a price quite high and doesn't make sense to pay it.


Here, your point was that the subscription fee was very cheap compared to products that have nothing to do with this one. That's not a good comparison.

The subscription fee it's enought to demand content That's pretty clear when you compare the game to other games and their prices.

And players will of course demand content.

And that's not a problem at all, it's simple logic.

[Risvertasashi]

Why do you say such non sense? XD

That argument doesn't make sense. It doesn't matter if its afordable or not. A bread bar for 5$ woud be affordable, but it's a price quite high and doesn't make sense to pay it.


Here, your point was that the subscription fee was very cheap compared to products that have nothing to do with this one. That's not a good comparison.

Ok, so here's a relevant comparison: Unless you live in the middle of nowhere, two tickets to the movies will cost you well over $15. If it's an especially longer movie, we'll say that approaches 3 hours of entertainment.

Every patch contains well over that. You (and a date too!) can easily get more than 3 hours of entertainment per month out of FFXIV. Now if there's literally nothing in the game that appeals to you--you hate coil/alex, you hate CT/void ark, you hate the story, you hate chocobo racing, you hate triple triad, you hate pvp, you hate dungeons, you hate hunts, you hate crafting, you hate gathering, you hate gardening, you will hate lord of vermillion, you hate socializing with your FCs/LSs, you hate player run events, you hate...

get the idea?

If there's literally nothing that appeals to you, then by all means, unsub. However, if even 1 of those things appeals to you, you can easily get more than 3 hours per month of entertainment out of it.

In terms of cost efficiency, MMOs are one of the best hobbies to have. I don't know of anything else that gives anywhere close to the same bang for you buck. Provided you actually like them, or at least part of them.

[Elvin]

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No, is not a relevant comparisong.

First, because comparing games to games is a far better comparison.

Second, because it's not just about time, is also about quality.

And third, because you are comparing it do a dying product. I mean, maybe is diferent in your country, I don't know, but in mine cinemas are just closing because with the HD TVs of more than 50 inches that almost everyone has at home now, and being so expensive as they are, people attend less to the cinema. And if they survive it's as a social activity, not for the film itself.
Hell, in fact in my city we had like 6 cinemas 10 years ago, and now there's one.



Of course people will unsub if content is not enought for them to be happy paying the subscription fee. And that doesn't mean just time. Not at all. Quality moments are far more important than time itself.

[Risvertasashi]

No, is not a relevant comparisong.

First, because comparing games to games is a far better comparison.

Second, because it's not just about time, is also about quality.

And third, because you are comparing it do a dying product. I mean, maybe is diferent in your country, I don't know, but in mine cinemas are just closing because with the HD TVs of more than 50 inches that almost everyone has at home now, and being so expensive as they are, people attend less to the cinema. And if they survive it's as a social activity, not for the film itself.
Hell, in fact in my city we had like 6 cinemas 10 years ago, and now there's one.



Of course people will unsub if content is not enought for them to be happy paying the subscription fee. And that doesn't mean just time. Not at all. Quality moments are far more important than time itself.

It's perfectly relevant. Point by point:

1. Ok, so compare it to other games. RPGs in general, not just MMOs, generally offer the best amount of playtime/hours entertained for their price points (although other genres may have superior replayability and such).

2. Fair enough. But that falls under "do you like RPGs or MMOs?" And, at the end of the day--when you get home from school or work or whatnot, you have X number of hours to kill. So maybe you need to do a few chores, clean up a little. Then you have time to relax. Whatever you do, you're going to want it to fill that time, not leave you bored after a short time.

3. "dying" is completely irrelevant. Compare it to the cost of buying a movie if you want, or to a cable subscription, which in the US can get pretty expensive. Compare it to any other form of friday-night entertainment you would do in the real world. Doing it on a regular basis will cost you more per hour than MMO gaming.

That doesn't mean MMO'ing replaces them; traveling or other such experiences can absolutely be 'worth it'. Just that MMO'ing is really good value (as long as you like them).

The only thing that can compete is... other games. Or a library (which I do recommend but not so many people like these days...)

[Elvin]

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I'm afraid I disagree.
The fact that is dying because most people find it's prize too high is totally relevant to me.


Anyway that's not so important. The topic here is that complaining customers are killing the game. That's not true. Complaining customers are giving feedback.

The responsability of the future of the game relies in their developers.

And customers giving feedback are something very valuable. Wich doesn't mean that you have to do what they say. You have to listen, think, and take decisions. But those opinions are always valuable.

[Risvertasashi]

I'm afraid I disagree.
The fact that is dying because most people find it's prize too high is totally relevant to me.

All that really matters:
Is it a form of paid entertainment?
If so, how much does it cost per hour?

If you've got your HD TV, then how much are you paying for cable or satellite or whatever? Or how much do you spend on movies? Point being, you're going to be spending a lot more on that than $15/mo.

If you're a pure gamer... so how many hours of story-driven content does that $60 shooter have? (Probably around 10, some have even less)

The rest of your post I agree with. But I also agree with that guy that said if the OP wants no time investment, there are tons and tons of games out there to serve his market. RPGs, well, time investment is the nature of the beast.