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    Betelgeuzah's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by ShinChuck View Post
    I think you're just not giving people enough credit on both sides. The players are smart, so are the dev team. They know the score and what's being said. The dev team isn't so stupid to think that a Marketplace that acts as an AH, just isn't called one, won't be good enough for people, and people similarly would be happy given all the standard options asked for.
    Yet an AH is coming...

    I'm sorry, I just don't believe it would be some crazy financial drain, nor do I think that's a reasonable line of thought. I've seen smaller companies make bigger changes without a problem, and removing Retainers from the equation is a relatively small issue.
    It doesn't matter whether it's expensive or not, it is useless and that is what matters. It also matters what is given up in exchange for implementing this change (features that are actually useful to the game?). There has to be an exchange as long as they can not do everything they need to do. And this game has enough work for that requirement to be fulfilled.

    But it is unarguably detrimental to it, and that's the point. Unlike Expeditionary force content, which I could avoid and still function in-game, Retainers are an unavoidable - and entirely unintuitive, unnecessary - aspect of buying and selling. The process could be accomplished without them.
    Why is that? I'm not against making us able to buy and sell items from the search screen. I'm against removing that (and any other) feature from the Retainers. They wouldn't be useless, because in the end you could put up and look for items while browsing your mule. You could also go to the search screen and be able to do the same functions there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Betelgeuzah View Post
    It doesn't matter whether it's expensive or not, it is useless and that is what matters. It also matters what is given up in exchange for implementing this change (features that are actually useful to the game?). There has to be an exchange as long as they can not do everything they need to do. And this game has enough work for that requirement to be fulfilled.
    So you've admitted Retainers could be useful even with an AH. You've admitted it'd wouldn't be necessarily expensive or hard to change. And you've yet to argue any one of the number one benefits myself and many others have listed to making that change, whereas myself and others have pointed out you could have ALL the benefits without losing a single useful feature.

    Repeating "it's useless" without saying why all those benefits are useless does not make it true. Now, would you like to continue a serious debate? I'll gladly do so. But if you're going to simply repeat points, never use supporting evidence, and never deny any claims against you, then let's just move on.
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    Last edited by ShinChuck; 03-09-2011 at 06:06 AM.
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