Bad/casual players with worse attitudes than the good "elitist" players

[Alexftw]

Well a lot people used to think I was elitist in last game I played due to being in top ranks and really competitive.

The truth is... I mentored thousands of people, and helped many learn, clear and gear up. Taught many not noticiable mechanisms to have advantage over others in pvp aswell.
At same time I also got to learn a lot from others from sharing information and discussing strategies and trying to do things in unique ways(trying to exploit content ingame and create new strategies).

You see. I don't mind people who fail mechanisms by mistake/lack of experience or have bad rotations/slow reaction and are up to learn. I mind people who ignore everything they're told repeadly and cause it to be a waste of time to everyone else due to 0 improvement every time.

0x5% improvement = 0
1x5 =5, 5x5=25 and so on...

If you aren't open to learn to start with its impossible and so a waste of time because 0 x anything is still 0.

[Gardes]

I think most bads are "hardcore" only because they have the ability to sit on their computers all day when other people have RL commitments. I have met a lot better and nicer players who are casual because they always do their best. The "hardcore" crowd is the toxic community.

Everyone, don't lump people together into groups. If you're being a dick to people you are just a dick .

Did I just stumble into an exhibit of hipocrisy?

[Chiramu]

Did I just stumble into an exhibit of hipocrisy?

Stop trying to pick fights and twisting peoples' words. Why should people blatantly spell things out just for you?

[StrejdaTom]

Stop trying to pick fights and twisting peoples' words. Why should people blatantly spell things out just for you?

Well, she quoted you..

[Krylo]

Guys, this is really easy:

Any of you have siblings?

Remember all the times you and/or your sibling did/broke something and immediately blamed the other sibling for it so you wouldn't get in trouble?

Yeah. It's that. Same thing.

"I fucked up--quickest way to get out of being blamed is blame someone else first and hope no one was paying enough attention to defend them."

Plus, because they, somewhere, deep down, know they're bad, they have to constantly validate themselves by assuring both themselves and everyone else that they aren't the ones who messed up.

Good players own mistakes and get better. Bad players just shirk responsibility like children.

That's all it is.

It's not confusing, it's not difficult to understand.

It's just stupid and immature.

[Bhuni]

Stop trying to pick fights and twisting peoples' words. Why should people blatantly spell things out just for you?

Much rather party with elitist's screaming at the party telling everyone to git gud than these bad 'casual' mouth breathers that can't even awknowledge when they're contradicting themselves.

Not all 'casuals' are like this thankfully, but to associate bad players as casual is too much of a compliment.

(This is how you pick a fight btw lawl.)

[Critical-Limit]

I joined a in-progress vault dungeon as healer. The party claimed their healer was bad and kicked them. Nope, they were really bad at dodging. I carried them through it with barely anytime to dPS except maybe a few aeros. They all commended me and because I carried them try probably believe it was 100% the healers fault and not partially theirs for eating so much aoe

[Mature]

I see it this way from my years of gaming experience, in this game NOBODY , I repeat NOBODY is special or have archived anything that someone else has. This game is about having the TIME to do stuff. Got all your classes to 60 before anyone else? Well done but people will catch up got your lucis and master books before anyone else? Well done but people will get it done too. Got your zeta done first? Well done but people will get there too. Have you clear savage first? Well done but others will clear it too.

Some people have this idiotic and moronic idea that if you do something first or you got something first you are better than others.... I don't even know why people have that stupid mentally tbh.

This is what creates elitist twats and rude idiots. Will this ever stop? I don't think so. But remember you ain't better than others for doing or having something first.

You want to feel special? Go and play a game the requires actual skill like a fighting game.

[NorthernLadMSP]

It's really not about casual vs elitist. It's about attitude and skill level.

I classify people into four groups:

Great skills, great attitude
Great skills, shitty attitude
Shitty skills, great attitude
Shitty skills, shitty attitude

Obviously the last group is going to be far worse than the others, and that's what this thread is really about.

[Kallera]

There's a bit of an echo chamber that occurs in this game if you don't cross over from one community to another, that slowly makes both commuities worse off.

"I dont have to help them! I'm leaving!"
"Wait!"

"I'm only trying to help."
"Well I don't want to hear it!"


"Pull the whole room!"
"No, we're pulling these-hey!"

"It's really too much for me."
"Whatever, slacker."

"Can you not holy the mobs this time?"
"What are you, slow?"

Opinions get made, and people learn to avoid the communities their bad experiences came from, which mean players on all spectrums become insulated. Eventually this results in players having a hard time getting proper help, and a disdain for random people out of the group on both ends.

When solutions are brought up, no one wants to be one at fault, there's always that one guy you remember that was just a curmudgeon to you, and you want him to suffer just as bad. Or maybe you tried it that way once, and hated what you put yourself through over what is supposed to be fun.

Can SE build the solution? Maybe. I'm certain it exists, but getting people to like it won't be pretty and some faction of players is going to feel left out. For all of its failings, the df and pf are "safer" from a social perspective than player enforced server reputations. You go too far on a pf description and you might get laughed at, you go too far with shaming someone and it can go into bullying and harassment, among other things.