Sick of tanking.

[randysquirrel]

is why you stay out of alex normal

[Vivi_Bushido]

I said "Yeah good job waiting for me to mark and not casting that ready check" If thats rude than I must be living in the wrong universe.

I was followed up with "Gitgud" "You were ready when you hit the accept duty button" "Scrub" "Go OT"

Which was followed by me telling the other tank and other party members to go fuck themselves for what they had said to me.

Followed by 3 more attempts of the other tank provoking off of me.

Honestly, chances are, (and this is a lot more common then people care to admit); they were all probably in a premade together. The bolded line suggests to me that it was. Elitist players tend to be more ballsy when playing with their friends especially if they're getting a good laugh out of it. If this is indeed the case, they were probably more interested in having a silly good time then actually clearing the content, and the moment you tried to kick their comrade, you threatened their good time; so they kicked you instead.

[Aldora]

A lot of the issues we have with other players in game, mostly boil down to the same thing. Their attitude. For example:

• People that get a certain dungeon they don’t feel like doing, they will either AFK, Leave or intentionally cause grief within the group.
• People who force a “speedrun” on the group without verifying if that’s ok with everyone else, or pull when the group isn’t ready for it.
• With the slightest slip up, you can get called out with the most vulgar language you can think of (sometimes even threatened).
• Or, if you want to point out something (friendly or no), you will be answered with childish behavior (like “Gitgut”, “n00b”, “get a life” or even a “Please uninstall the game”) or more vulgar language.
• People who join farming parties, expecting a clear (or simply wish to be carried) without asking for their permission/informing them.
• People who create farming/clear parties and mention within the PF description that only experienced player may join, expecting a clear they haven’t gotten themselves yet (or simply wish to be carried).
• People excluding or calling out others, simply because they are not wearing the BiS gear (even for something as Hard Mode trials).
• People who wear crafting gear or gear that does not suit (think strength gear on a healer) the class they are playing and refuse to equip the proper gear for their class & level if the party asks them to, simply because they want to spiritbond the item.
• People who don’t bother with mechanics, but simply want to burn down the Boss and thus completely ignore all of the mechanics.
• People don’t feel like sticking around after a group wipes during a trial, even if the situation is perfectly salvageable but will require a bit more effort.

These are topics which can be found on the first page of the general discussion of the official forums on a daily basis. It even reflects on the replies you see within these threads as well. There are plenty of other examples you can think of and most of them would apply in both ways.

It’s like we, as human beings, forgot how to properly communicate with one another, respect one another or work with one another. It’s all about “Me” and the rest can either do it “my way” or take “the highway”.

We, as a community, decide what the community is all about. So, only by actually talking to one another in a respectful way and treating each other as equals, can we even start to hope for a good community. The thing is, this does not only apply on this game, but also in other games as well as in real life.

“Treat others how you like to be treated yourself”

In an argument as KeluBehemoth described in the OP, no one is in the right. But, i’ve been in similar situations where i was seriously reconsidering if i wanted to continue tanking or not. For example, because other party members were ignoring marks i’ve placed the Enmity is all over the place (making tanking groups a “living hell”), let me MT and then start a battle for Enmity (because they thought it was fun to fight over who will actually be tanking the boss), etc. It really can be THAT frustrating at times. But, it doesn’t always have to be.

I was once in the Labyrinth of the Ancients (while it was still relevant), where the Alliance let met MT the majority of the raid. However, there was this 1 Warrior Tank who kept standing next to me and started to fight for hate, to the point that with the last boss of the raid, he started to use Provoke to get the boss off me.

At that time, i was like “Ok then. You can have him.” and started OTing and handling the “Hands”. I said in the Alliance chat “If you want to tank him so badly, you can have him. (^_~ )”. He replied with “Aw, but i wanted to fight for hate longer.”. My answer to that was “Nah. Not interested in that. If i wanted any “drama”, i’d go to the theater. I’m only here to take it easy and have fun.”

The whole alliance started laughing and i got a few friend requests after the raid, saying that they liked my style.

[wicked-one]

Perhaps it's your attitude that is the problem?

Exactly the same came to my mind...

[KeluBehemoth]

I believe they were a premade as has been in the other instances this has happened.

I'm a for the "

[Jpec07]

A gentle answer turns away anger, but a harsh word stirs up anger.

It's aaaaaaaall about presentation and attitude, dude. That other tank may have been a jerk, but since he opted to MT, you could have taken 30 seconds while he was handling the boss' occasional hits to coordinate and tell people what they were supposed to do. As OT, you wouldn't have anything to do until you got sucked into the Other Room, which is plenty of time to offer explanation.

I've seen a lot of tanks who seem to have given in to the "gogogogogogogogogogogo" mentality. It's like they live with (or maybe they are) the proverbial "go" guy, and they pull everything right away without even waiting for Protect or Stoneskin. And on fights like A3 and A4 that rely on individual raiders for personal responsibility, that sort of behavior is horrible.

I will say it was also wrong of you to fight this guy for hate. Competing to hold threat against the other tank makes it really hard on healers, and just makes you look like just as much of a bad player as him/her (worse if you're being vocally abusive--I can't say how you "called them out" but that's a bad thing to do). In that circumstance, I probably would have vote-kicked you, too.

[Ultear_Milkovich]

Random tips that spared me some headaches:

- Never enter DF w/o decent knowledge of the fight/job, and gear.
Grants you the "i'm quite sure i'm not the noob here" buff.
Helps you to be confident enough, no need to question yourself on the forums afterwards.
If you got your tank mount spamming A4, got 600 commendations from it, and get kicked twice due to odd groups, that probably means you're OK.

- Check the languages of the party immediately, to avoid bad surprises.

- "Hi, do you prefer to MT or OT?" macro at the beginning should be*perfect 97.523% of the time. If you're not comfortable with MTing the fight yourself, ask politely "hi, mind if i OT here please?".

- If no reaction, "i will MT then".
The other guy pulls right after? Grats, you found "Mister Troll", who was prob. waiting for that.
Make the bad experience shorter, and go as OT.
Do high DPS and do the mechanics perfectly. Steal his commendations.
The better you are, the shorter the "troll show" will be.
Eventually he will fail, you will provoke the boss immediately, look sexy, and save the day.

- One ready check and pull immediately after the confirmation.

- No noisy or useless macro like "<se.6> D4rk Sasuke omg god mode enabled ah ah ah <se.4>".

- I never try "exotic" stuff in DF.

- If the group is cool and tries the best, i stay till the end without saying anything, even if there's obviously some weak links.
You could never know if they are from the same FC or not, helping a friend who has serious IRL issues or not, or idk.
Also i kinda suck myself a lot in some situations, hence i dont feel entitled to start a crusade against "baddies".

- If there is ANY attitude issue, like people yelling at each other after one wipe, people arguing about useless stuff, nolifers bragging about their parse, blatant elitist behaviour, people with "E"
checked speaking odd languages and not even trying to speak english (im saying that as a non native english speaker), or a FC obivously polluting the DF on purpose, I always leave after the second wipe (and go triple triad for 30m).

- About calling people after a wipe:
IMO, a good player who knows he did a mistake doesn't have to be called out; he will improve by himself, and apologize;

A bad player who is absolutely not aware of what to do should go set a PF to learn the fight. No need to call him out because it's not the most efficient way to educate him.
If you leave his DF as tank and the party disbands, and if it happens a lot of times, he may start to question himself, and pop a "learning" PF coz DF didn't worked for him.
Maybe he will get carried and get the clear? It's the risk. But he will face the same issue when he would like to farm this content. Back to PF. And he will eventually get good.

And obviously, mister ultra - troll whose mission is to piss you off only waits to be called out, hence he could start his full size mess: i never talk to these guys, it's a too obvious trap (don't feed the troll


Pick what you need from the list, and then you will be able to slow down on Codeine. As i did.
GL mate

[Averax]

If you were coming off as sort of a douche then that may have been why.

I have no idea what you actually said, so i have no idea the impression it had on your group.

[Priya]

Ahh. The primal data center. Quite possibly one of the worst pools of people in an MMO. You probably just got griefed, OP. I remember a LotA where some dudes came in and started calling everyone retarded monkeys (among other things) and kicking anyone in their party for telling them to stop since they had enough people to control their party vote.

[KaiKatzchen]

So I see a lot of people basically saying "Be the better person" "Just leave" "Don't stoop down".

I mean... that is all great and all but even in real life I don't apply this philosophy. Sure it makes life easier but all it does is enable shitty people to continue being shitty people.

There are other ways to help or get a point across etc... without being rude. When someone is rude, and a another person is rude back, it's not solving anything but make one more person who feels they have the right to be rude. My point:

My friend was on SMN waiting in queue and fighting, she forgot to put garuda back on obey upon entering and after the first pull the tank starts cussing her out for knock back. Just cusses her out right off the bat. She apologized and put it on obey, but told the tank they should have been more polite about the situation because it was just a mistake, there were like 1 minute into the dungeon. The tank told her that basically they had the right to be rude to whoever they wanted, because people were rude to them. She replied, no people being rude to you does not give you the right to be rude to other people they don't know.

She said after that the tank just fell silent and did their job. Dropping down to someone level and being rude when they are doesn't fix the problem - and obviously some people feel they have a right to be rude to people just because people are rude to them. That just makes the issue worse. So yes, be the better person, don't drop to their level - explain or point out things politely and off to help new people.

I don't think this game is as bad is people thing it it - it's just when people have good runs they don't really think on it. But the bad one stick out and people are more apt to complain about the bad. So let's keep making it more good players than rude players by not snapping and dropping down to the rude players level. In a DF people only have that dungeon to judge you by and that is their impression of you - so make it a good one.

Ahh. The primal data center. Quite possibly one of the worst pools of people in an MMO. You probably just got griefed, OP. I remember a LotA where some dudes came in and started calling everyone retarded monkeys (among other things) and kicking anyone in their party for telling them to stop since they had enough people to control their party vote.

I'm from that data center as well, and find that I meet more kind people and nice people than rude. Maybe I'm lucky? Who knows - most of my server is very nice as well.