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    Gamer3427 feel free to look up how FF11 was built up and how other horizontal progressions MMORPGs work

    In FF11 the relic you had continued to upgrade wich means for example the Excalibur sword could go all the way to 99. Same Sword could continue to evolve and develope with you wich makes things more personal and fun and not making it feel like whatever effort you put into this item made it useless due to the next one. I should not be comparing games because FF11 and FF14 are two different games but it wouldn't have hurt SE to continue the same path on the relic
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    Quote Originally Posted by FizzleofHyperion View Post
    Gamer3427 feel free to look up how FF11 was built up and how other horizontal progressions MMORPGs work

    In FF11 the relic you had continued to upgrade wich means for example the Excalibur sword could go all the way to 99. Same Sword could continue to evolve and develope with you wich makes things more personal and fun and not making it feel like whatever effort you put into this item made it useless due to the next one. I should not be comparing games because FF11 and FF14 are two different games but it wouldn't have hurt SE to continue the same path on the relic
    This isn't FFXI.

    And yes, OP I plan to work on thee relic as well
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    Quote Originally Posted by FizzleofHyperion View Post
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    Hmm. Complaining about relic, wants this to be ffxi, named "Abernath", on Hyperion, an obvious alt with only 1 class unlocked (and not over 30), and in the same fc as Skizzle Abernath.

    Good to see you again :P
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    Quote Originally Posted by FizzleofHyperion View Post
    I should not be comparing games because FF11 and FF14 are two different games
    You should've just stopped there.

    Quote Originally Posted by Malevicton View Post
    Hmm. Complaining about relic, wants this to be ffxi, named "Abernath", on Hyperion, an obvious alt with only 1 class unlocked (and not over 30), and in the same fc as Skizzle Abernath.

    Good to see you again :P
    Lol, good find.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FizzleofHyperion View Post
    Gamer3427 feel free to look up how FF11 was built up and how other horizontal progressions MMORPGs work

    In FF11 the relic you had continued to upgrade wich means for example the Excalibur sword could go all the way to 99. Same Sword could continue to evolve and develope with you wich makes things more personal and fun and not making it feel like whatever effort you put into this item made it useless due to the next one. I should not be comparing games because FF11 and FF14 are two different games but it wouldn't have hurt SE to continue the same path on the relic
    But, it took years to get your relic in XI, and then it was made obsolete.
    I wasn't around for the most recent couple of years but I know that it was a bit of heartbreak.

    I agree that our gear (tomestones) inspires little pride because it will get cycled out soon enough, but XI, like all MMOS had it's flaws too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Niqote View Post
    But, it took years to get your relic in XI, and then it was made obsolete.
    Actually, no. The relic in XI never became obsolete. Even now, with FFXI winding down to its conclusion, the relic weapons STILL are not obsolete. SE made sure to add (very grindy) quests to allow Relic-holders to continue to upgrade their relics to keep them ahead of the curve. Even now, a fully-upgraded Relic, Mythic, or Empyrion is a big step ahead of any other weapon of its type. In some cases, relics that USED to be of limited use to their job (like Claustrum, a BLM weapon with no useful BLM stats) are now packed with job-appropriate goodness.

    I'm a bit puzzled about Gamer3427, though, as the odd thing is that Relics in this game ALSO evolve by way of grindy quests. The only difference is that instead of remaining the best weapons, they remain the second best weapons at each stage. Relics are pretty much the only bit of "horizontal progression" this game allows, and since Gamer seems to be a fan of Horizontal progression, it makes them an odd choice of targets for his ire.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LineageRazor View Post
    SE made sure to add (very grindy) quests to allow Relic-holders to continue to upgrade their relics to keep them ahead of the curve.
    They only did this after a huge outcry, though. Their original intent with the new expansion had been to obsolete everything prior (they wanted to move the game to a more modern and vertical system for gear).
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    Quote Originally Posted by LineageRazor View Post
    I'm a bit puzzled about Gamer3427, though, as the odd thing is that Relics in this game ALSO evolve by way of grindy quests... ...Relics are pretty much the only bit of "horizontal progression" this game allows, and since Gamer seems to be a fan of Horizontal progression, it makes them an odd choice of targets for his ire.
    I never once said anything bad about the Relics, and it was the part of 3.1 I was most looking forward to prior to it being pushed to 3.15. My one comment that could have been interpenetrated against them was joking about how Fizzle was claiming they were useless because they'd be outclassed in time, while that's exactly the case with every piece of gear. I later pointed out in my reply comment to him talking about horizontal progression that the Relics are the only piece of content that doesn't stay outclassed......
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    Quote Originally Posted by TouchandFeel View Post
    Strangely enough, if you assume the OP is from a parallel universe, it all makes sense.
    ...
    That or they are just spouting gibberish.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FizzleofHyperion View Post
    nope
    The second someone mentions XI is the instant when I stop reading their posts.

    This isn't XI. It will never be XI. Anything you have to say about XI is irrelevant. Move on.
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