So its 0-2 in the male female glamour department, yay?

[Tanama]

Very high chance it will be either Thancred or Alphinaud

Give us Alphinaud and Alisae's facial features and hairstyle for elezens while you're at it. Elezen need it badly.

[Laraul]

To be fair, all gear is made with a preset size for breast. The breast slider only matters for your character with nothing on. I think with the way the gear is made in this game, it would be hard to allow that or it's very time consuming. If the clothes/gear worked like in animeish game, then yeah, it should be np.

The bust size slider may only apply to female characters, but I assure you every character has a bust regardless of gender. It simply isn't adjustable on male characters. Even if what you say were true, it would still have no impact on head, leg, hand, and feet gear.

When they added Au Ra race they went and created the necessary model data for every piece of gear that already existed for Au Ra characters. So if that could be done within 18 months, adjusting existing gender specific gear to work on all genders wouldn't be too time consuming.

[Causality]

Very high chance it will be either Thancred or Alphinaud

It will be Papalymo to spite you. You know they favor female characters and Lalafell in this game.

[FallenArisen0990]

The bust size slider may only apply to female characters, but I assure you every character has a bust regardless of gender. It simply isn't adjustable on male characters. Even if what you say were true, it would still have no impact on head, leg, hand, and feet gear.

When they added Au Ra race they went and created the necessary model data for every piece of gear that already existed for Au Ra characters. So if that could be done within 18 months, adjusting existing gender specific gear to work on all genders wouldn't be too time consuming.

Maybe but something tells me use they just set the Au Ra to use the existing races' gear check and just allowed Tail option on for them. The head pieces they said they created with the horns in mind so it wouldn't interfere.

[Serilda]

Maybe but something tells me use they just set the Au Ra to use the existing races' gear check and just allowed Tail option on for them. The head pieces they said they created with the horns in mind so it wouldn't interfere.

Either way they put a lot of effort into making attractive Au Ra versions of the race-locked gear instead of just starting them off with the Miqo'te equipment to cut corners.

I think the point stands; if they have time to keep adding new female-only glamour items every few months and adjusting gear for the expansion, they could easily have put that same time into balancing things to be fairer instead; the fact that it (allegedly) takes slightly longer to adapt female designs for male frames is not important. It's more exciting for them if they can keep revealing new shiny female-only items each patch, but half of the players don't get to benefit from those updates at all.

Perhaps they just need to involve some more designers who prefer designing for male characters first to take the burden off the ones who are struggling to adapt their female-only designs to be suitable for everyone and giving up (some of the designs in the Another Dawn art book really make it clear that the guys are an afterthought at times). I imagine that Square-Enix has the resources to do this in-house already given its reputation. So we need to keep telling them that it's a problem.

[Lukha]

Well, if it's so difficult to adjust a piece of gear from a female model to a male model, it sounds to me that the obvious solution would be to create the original models for everything, even frilly dresses, on a male model and then adjust it to fit females. If they're doing things female > male when male > female is supposedly much simpler, they're setting themselves up to fail, aren't they?

I'm really curious whether or not there are any females working with the costume design team, and whether anyone's ever thought to ask them or other ladies around the office what THEY'D find cute or sexy or attractive for males to wear. I doubt the answer to either of those questions is 'yes', though, because even the 'sexy' male gear we do have is often lacking in some way (Colosseum loincloth, I'm looking at you and your weirdly long shorts.), and there are countless little things that just prove they're not considering male characters at all when designing gear (like the way Male Miqo'te tails clip an inch to the left of the tail-hole in every single piece of gear they bothered to put a tail-hole in).

[Krazymagic]

Glamouring is one feature I care very little about, as a guy. I never cared for playing dress up or barbies, and as a grown man it still doesnt interest me. So the OP asks what do we think? Well I dont care really. I understand why female players like the glamour system, and thats fine, but grown men who sit around playing virtual barbie with female toons is a little odd to me.

[raymon]

like the way Male Miqo'te tails clip an inch to the left of the tail-hole in every single piece of gear they bothered to put a tail-hole in.

this annoys me to no end

[Noxifer]

Glamouring is one feature I care very little about, as a guy. I never cared for playing dress up or barbies, and as a grown man it still doesnt interest me. So the OP asks what do we think? Well I dont care really. I understand why female players like the glamour system, and thats fine, but grown men who sit around playing virtual barbie with female toons is a little odd to me.

I'm... not sure you've quite understood the issue. It's not about male vs female players, it's about players with male vs female characters. There are both male and female players who have female characters, and there are both male and female players who have male characters. Whether the player who enjoys glamour is male or female doesn't matter, since IRL genders don't affect the amount of glamour available. The in-game gender does.

Also... to me your response seems a bit discriminating (even if I understand it might not have been intended that way). You might as well tell all those male designers of clothes that they're a little odd, and that it's only understandable with female designers. ^^; I'm sure that'd go over well.

[Serilda]

Well, if it's so difficult to adjust a piece of gear from a female model to a male model, it sounds to me that the obvious solution would be to create the original models for everything, even frilly dresses, on a male model and then adjust it to fit females.

Genius

I understand why female players like the glamour system, and thats fine, but grown men who sit around playing virtual barbie with female toons is a little odd to me.

Why are you questioning what other people are doing and calling them odd? The comments about your own preferences are fine but the last part comes across as rather rude and judgemental when you're talking to a group of people from different cultural backgrounds. Your real life gender has very little to do with whether or not you like glamouring, after all, and nothing to do with the gender you pick for your character in the game. Nevertheless, thank you for bumping the thread!

(Edit: Apologies for seeming rather humourless about this but this topic doesn't seem capable of going more than a few pages at a time before someone naïvely makes an ill-considered statement which questions someone's real life preferences when all they're asking for is equal treatment in a fantasy game.)