If you could kill off one of the scions...

[Calypsx]

I don't like giving Minfillia a free pass when it comes to combat. The leaders of both Gridania and Limsa are both very powerful in their own right and Uldah has Raubahn. Also Alphinaud has shown he can hold his own if needed.

As a leader of a group based on fighting the primal threat she needs to have some capability of fighting herself since we can't always be there to save her. What if she get attacked by an assassin or gets kidnapped again? Dangerous things can happen to a leader and they need to be prepared as much as possible. Not saying she needs to be as powerful as the other Scions but she needs something.

It also would help players respect her a little more. There's a reason the other leaders are looked more highly upon than her by the playerbase.

[Belhi]

I don't like giving Minfillia a free pass when it comes to combat. The leaders of both Gridania and Limsa are both very powerful in their own right and Uldah has Raubahn. Also Alphinaud has shown he can hold his own if needed.

As a leader of a group based on fighting the primal threat she needs to have some capability of fighting herself since we can't always be there to save her. What if she get attacked by an assassin or gets kidnapped again? Dangerous things can happen to a leader and they need to be prepared as much as possible. Not saying she needs to be as powerful as the other Scions but she needs something.

It also would help players respect her a little more. There's a reason the other leaders are looked more highly upon than her by the playerbase.

Nanamo is liked by the player base and she probably cant fight her way out of a paper bag. Likewise, Lolorito never showed any fighting potential and while not one of our leaders, his leadership skills have made him one of the most wealthy, and formidable political opponents we have.

As for if Minfilia was attacked again, this is why I'd like to see some of her old skillset shown. Minfilia survived years of being hunted by the Garlean secret service. There are ways to avoid assassins and kidnapping beyond being a skilled combatant.

Also to be fair, in the first case where she was kidnapped it was done by Garleans and everyone was taken. Fighting there wouldn't have helped much. The second time it was an Ascian and almost certainly the rest of the Scions would be just as screwed if a Ascian decided to haul them off. Unless Minfilia was on par with us in skill she probably would have ended up taken anyway.

[Calypsx]

Nanamo is liked by the player base and she probably cant fight her way out of a paper bag.

However she has Raubahn who pretty much never leaves her side and acts as a leader himself at times, they balance each other out in a way. Minfillia doesn't really have much, she doesn't have the charm of Nanamo or the power of Raubahn. The leaders of Gridania and Limsa have both those traits which makes them more respected as leaders.

Minfillia just isn't very inspiring and just really hasn't done anything interesting... I'm not surprised the playerbase doesn't seem to like her much. I really hope she's a little more interesting the next time we see her but if not I would rather see her gone.

[Kallera]

Uldah also has Raubahn who pretty much never leaves her side and acts as a leader himself at times. I say those two both fill the same spot. Minfillia doesn't really have much, she doesn't have the charm of Nanamo or the power of Raubahn. The leaders of Gridania and Limsa have both those traits which makes them more respected as leaders.

Minfillia just isn't very inspiring and just... really hasn't done much...

For being a manager, Minfillia also adheres to some inefficient practices. "Hello <player name>. Can you stop by the rising stones? I have something to talk to you about that cannot be mentioned on this Private Linkshell I got made for this type of situation." This starts to get more noticable when the crew ends up late and the primal summoning happens, among other things.

I think the proper term for Minfillia is The Wesley. A character clearly made by SE to be likable and have fan service, but the general feeling of her from the fanbase is considerably negative.

[Zojha]

Minfillia just isn't very inspiring and just really hasn't done anything interesting...

All I got from her through the entire MSQ is that she's the busty, blonde damsel in distress we as heroes in shining crystal armor will have to rescue over and over.

Our princess peach if you will. She's even wearing pink. All that was missing to make the reference perfect is Tataru telling us the antecedent is in another castrum.

So yeah, I'm kinda happy she's gone for now.

[Tenkuu]

I don't like giving Minfillia a free pass when it comes to combat. The leaders of both Gridania and Limsa are both very powerful in their own right and Uldah has Raubahn. Also Alphinaud has shown he can hold his own if needed.

As a leader of a group based on fighting the primal threat she needs to have some capability of fighting herself since we can't always be there to save her. What if she get attacked by an assassin or gets kidnapped again? Dangerous things can happen to a leader and they need to be prepared as much as possible. Not saying she needs to be as powerful as the other Scions but she needs something. It also would help players respect her a little more. There's a reason the other leaders are looked more highly upon than her by the playerbase.

Funny you should bring that up, I actually have close to zero respect for Merlwyb and Nanamo, and Raubahn is, sadly, just following orders and otherwise leading the Flames more than anything else. Nanamo, as shown in her Tales from the Calamity, is whiny, bratty and generally speaking unable to see the big picture. This even affected her 2.55 decision. People like Raubahn and Thancred have both been very patient with her because they see her potential to be a real leader, but other than that, she's not exactly remarkable in any way. Merlwyb on the other hand has loose morals and could even be called a hypocrite, the only thing she really has going for her is that she's brave, but if it came down to trusting her, I don't really think that many people would. Kan-E-Senna is the only leader I truly respect because it is obvious that she is not only poised and respectful to all, but also strong-minded and speaking from the heart. She is a truly honest and kind woman, and the most capable of the three leaders.

As for Minfilia, there is no free pass involved here: she has no combat ability, period. Nanamo can't fight, Merlwyb's fighting abilities are obviously limited to her guns, and even Kan-E-Senna likely would not do good in a fight though she is a more than capable healer. Raubahn can fight but it's not his job to do so. Similarly, Minfilia knows what her job is, and she accomplishes it to perfection. She manages the Scions, doing what she can instead of worrying about what she can't do. The argument you're making is practically the equivalent of if you asked Thancred to be a Black Mage: it simply is not in their skillset for either of them. They both know what they're good at and they work hard on those things that their expertise is in. Also, Minfilia is not supposed to ever be fully on her own. Both the Waking Sands and Rising Stones have guards, and on outings Thancred pretty much appoints himself her personal guard.

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Your employees think you are boring and worthless but in reality if you weren't doing the tedious work of oiling the cogs and making sure they were running smooth the whole thing would collapse.

Exactly. Being a leader may look like just sitting on your ass doing nothing to others, but without a leader, everything would fall into chaos. The leader coordinates every task so that they can fit together properly and resources can be used efficiently. It isn't work that you would want to be doing either. The Scions are already under a lot of stress, as evidenced by Thancred's emotional breakdown in 2.0, and they're not even doing half the work that Minfilia is. They could not be handling anymore than they currently have on their plates, and Minfilia knows this, so she only assigns them missions relevant to their current tasks and responsibilities.

You very well that wast Alphinau's full fault, even if he think it was ortherside. Yes he had control over the Crystal Braves but Minfilia was the leader. If Alphinau couldnt see what was happening, it was her resposability to let it happened and didnt see anything. I know, she had full trust on him, but thats not how a leader acts I think, you need to always check what orthers are doing, just in case there is flaw.

Except that it's already been explained to you before, by myself and others, that Minfilia is just a name on a piece of paper as far as the Braves are concerned. She has absolutely no responsibility or control over them, that's Alphinaud's job. You might even recall Alphinaud saying himself that he would be the one to handle them so as not to put more undue pressure on Minfilia. So no, the Braves were never Minfilia's responsibility, they were entirely Alphinaud's. Not that anyone is saying he is fully at fault for their betrayal, but he was still the one responsible for them.

[Frederick22]

Except that it's already been explained to you before, by myself and others, that Minfilia is just a name on a piece of paper as far as the Braves are concerned. She has absolutely no responsibility or control over them, that's Alphinaud's job. You might even recall Alphinaud saying himself that he would be the one to handle them so as not to put more undue pressure on Minfilia. So no, the Braves were never Minfilia's responsibility, they were entirely Alphinaud's. Not that anyone is saying he is fully at fault for their betrayal, but he was still the one responsible for them.

Actually no one did it, just minor details, just you. My mistake was that I thought that the title "Antecedent" she had was beacuse she was the leader of the Scions, but no its a different thing.


With hole respect, and im not tring anything, just a little offtopic question.
Why do you refuse on everything people says? There absolutly nothing you agreed with?

You sound like everything you said must be correct and the rest are mistaken.
I admit it, I made mistakes and no I'm not big lore wise guy, maybe I barely know just a little. But honeslty by the way you have written so far in all your comments, it seems that you believe you know everything.

[Tenkuu]

Actually no one did it, just minor details, just you. My mistake was that I thought that the title "Antecedent" she had was beacuse she was the leader of the Scions, but no its a different thing.


With hole respect, and im not tring anything, just a little offtopic question.
Why do you refuse on everything people says? There absolutly nothing you agreed with?

You sound like everything you said must be correct and the rest are mistaken.
I admit it, I made mistakes and no I'm not big lore wise guy, maybe I barely know just a little. But honeslty by the way you have written so far in all your comments, it seems that you believe you know everything.

Not true, I looked at previous pages since my last replies, and another person and myself had *both* explained to you that Minfilia has no responsibility for the Braves, and in detail no less. You should make a habit of looking at past replies yourself to make sure you don't miss anything.

Actually, you *are* being disrespectful. I have absolutely no obligation to you to agree with the things you say, and quite frankly, since you value honesty so much, in some of them you make a fool of yourself but I still reply respectfully and ignore the various nonsensical parts. I don't know a lot of things which is why I like to ask questions and theorize to get to the bottom of things. The lore of this game fascinates me, both the parts related to 1.0 and 2.0. 3.0, generally speaking, has been a disappointment, but at least 3.1 more than made up for it with Thancred's return.

I agree with various people and I'm even really interested in their theories when they seem to make sense, you're just one of the people who more often does than not does not say anything that interests me.