So its 0-2 in the male female glamour department, yay?

[myahele]

RIP glamour for males ONLY. No bunny ears for males, only care with the bent of bunny ears.

Not only that, but aren't they going to be releasing a new bunny outfit that's a bit more detailed and how it's dyed? Similar to i100 vs 110 PvP gear

At this point, I'd rather they start focussing their attention in making ALL gear dyeable; when it come to glamour their reasoning never make sense: mages can wear metal plated armor ... law and gordian gear are metal-plated, color swapped gear for different jobs, DoW being able to wear DoM stuff.

The current Halloween even is perfectly shows what they think of male glamour.

[Gemma]

It will not be possible to dye Minfilia's outfit; however, it will be possible to change the color of the hairstyle.

Am I the only one who is annoyed that they are planning to add Hairstyles to the Mog Station regardless of if its a MSQ one or not?
I mean to me (Not like I was ever in favor of the Mog Station anyways but nevertheless) it's one thing to add past event items and call it "Optional Items" or dyes/minions/mounts because yes those are optional, they do not directly effect my Character.

But a hairstyle is Character Customization, that shouldn't be considered "Optional Items", everyone should be able to have access to all character customization options (Yes I am also including the Lightning hairstyles, not saying I want the event but it should be made available to everyone. Clothes/weapons on the other hand, go ahead and sell on the Mog Station).

To me that's the equivalent of SE adding one new face option to all Races/Genders and making you buy it on the Mog Station, or the butt sliders everyone wanted...
"You want to have some junk in the trunk? $10 and you can be bootylicious!" (-_-)

[BreathlessTao]

Pre-Patch 2.2: Everyone had the same number of potential equippables
Patch 2.2 (26th March 2014): Female characters gained 4 extra equippables
Patch 2.4 (28th October 2014): The number rose to 7
Patch 2.51 (24th February 2015): The number rose to 11
Patch 3.0 (19th June 2015): The number rose to 16
Patch 3.1 (10th November 2015 - as yet unreleased): From the previews alone it looks as though it's rising to at least 25

And you know, besides these raw numbers, there's another part of the issue that should also be highlighted: how so much of the unisex glamour items (and indeed quite a lot of actual relevant/endgame gear too) are so clearly designed with only the females in mind. Whether it's someone's personal aesthetic or not doesn't even matter, because it is a fact - cue that other thread with OP asking for more masculine outfits.

So if it's ok with you, I'm going to keep firmly campaigning until the keys on my keyboard wear out.

...and then you get a new keyboard, I hope.

Side note: i do recall SE saying it was easier to fit gear on female models then it was on male models, if this is true, would that not mean they don't want to bother with fitting gear for males? (i may be wrong with them saying this,if so, please ignore the side note)

YES thank you, I've been meaning to mention that myself, because I too remember them saying so, that because of that, they design the new things for female models first. And I do agree it's kind of ... shady, at least, to be quite honest (even if it would explain pretty much everything). But even if it's true - why does that seem to be stopping them from actually properly catering to male characters? I mean, gods, it's like you're at work and you get a pile of things assigned to do, and you're like "well these are easier, so I'm gonna do these and not really bother with the rest" - how is that rational??? It just ticks me off.

While I technically disapprove of going off topic given how passionate I am about the main debate, and dancing around spoilers as much as I can, I'm beginning to suspect that all of the Scions whose costumes have been hinted at for the cash shop will be receiving clothing upgrades at some stage soon. It would be jarring if there are people walking around dressed in the same way as the storyline characters, but if Tataru's busy upgrading costumes then S-E can release the old ones and keep them in circulation without any overlap. In which case players wearing the new Tataru-brand outfits might be some way off yet.

On that note - one way they could take a slight bit of the edge of "cash-shop-exclusive-items" and give the tiniest bit of depth to the NPCs would be if the next time you meet an NPC whose outfit you're wearing (or maybe those closest to them), they would comment on it. Anything. How weird it is, how funny it is, how embarrassing it is - whatever, just have any sort of a reaction to it. Nothing big, a look and half a sentence would be more than enough.

At this point, I'd rather they start focussing their attention in making ALL gear dyeable; when it come to glamour their reasoning never make sense: mages can wear metal plated armor ... law and gordian gear are metal-plated, color swapped gear for different jobs, DoW being able to wear DoM stuff.

The current Halloween even is perfectly shows what they think of male glamour.

As for dyeability: yeah, it's not enough that we're gonna be seeing even more people who are even more clones of each other (sorry, but with how little options we have in certain areas / how very few of the numbers we have available is actually favoured by players, there's already way too much similarity between characters), clones of NPCs this time around, you'd think it rational to at least throw the option of colours into the mix, to ease up on all the similarities. Apparently, for some reason, it's another no.
The glamour restrictions: been saying this since day 1, the whole set of restrictions is so half-assed and not thought out at all that it should never have been there. The reasoning behind it I can understand, even if it's quite meta and doesn't really have much to do with any in-game practice or lore; however when the execution is a clear one-way street, it's simply bad and it should not have been forced. But of course that's tied to how gear itself is categorised: accessories are pretty much always "all classes", much of the mage gear is also "all classes", whereas warrior gear is almost always restricted to certain class group from lv1 onward, and of course there's no point in placing equip restriction on glamour items... And all in all, when it's just magicking the appearance of a certain item to another one - what does actually wearing that item have to do with anything, anyway??
This year's Halloween outfit though... yeah, let's not even talk about that. -_-

Am I the only one who is annoyed that they are planning to add Hairstyles to the Mog Station regardless of if its a MSQ one or not?

Hang in there until it actually goes live. It might as well turn out to be a headgear piece (an actual wig if you like), instead of a proper hairstyle. With the mod response being so specific about it, I wouldn't be surprised - I mean mentioning that the colour of a hairstyle can be changed, in itself, is quite redundant, since...well...we all have all the colours of the rainbow available to all the hairstyle we have, by default.

[Colorful]

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Why would they do that? There's already a system used for purchasing hairstyles in the GS, I am 99% sure it will be exactly like that.

SE is just pushing the boundaries of the playerbase inch by inch, I'm willing to bet in a few years time our cash shop will be far worse than FFXIV's that this community always like to hate on. Players will buy into this of course, and the higher ups at SE will see profits skyrocket and force the development team into pulling more shit like this without investing a single cent back into more developers or better servers.

[BreathlessTao]

Why would they do that?

Why are the doing this whole disparity between male and female clothing? /shrug
Why are they resisting rational ideas about glamours, inventory management, UI improvements, etc? /shrug
I stopped really looking for reasons a while ago, I'm just too baffled by it all tbh.

[Colorful]

Why are the doing this whole disparity between male and female clothing? /shrug
Why are they resisting rational ideas about glamours, inventory management, UI improvements, etc? /shrug
I stopped really looking for reasons a while ago, I'm just too baffled by it all tbh.

It's clear why they're doing those things and that's because it takes effort, but they literally already have this system in place and it would take more effort to hide the hair while the "wig" is on.

[Morningstar1337]

Am I the only one who is annoyed that they are planning to add Hairstyles to the Mog Station regardless of if its a MSQ one or not?...

I have a theory as to why the comment about the hair being dyable was mentioned in the first place (Charatcer custimisation hair options are alray able to have their color changed ad no dye would be necessary for that). And once that isn't unprecedented.

It's not technically a character customization option, but a Wig. The precedent comes form the Bohemean headpiece, which game Snow's hairstyle to those that wore it (and since the Guardian Corps set has no head piece, the beaning+wig is the male counterpart to Lightning's hairstyle) and only until it;s work. The difference is that Minfillia's is not a beanie with the wig, but just a wig.

I'm not sure if that makes it (both the gender disparity and the fact that hairstyles are on the cash shop in any form, though the latter at least means that SE isn't going to such hyperbolic extremes as putting the Butt slider on the cash shop...yet) better or worse but I just felt like pointing that out.

[BreathlessTao]

It's clear why they're doing those things and that's because it takes effort, but they literally already have this system in place and it would take more effort to hide the hair while the "wig" is on.

No, it really wouldn't. All the hats and caps and even cowls do that already, a wig wouldn't work any differently in this case. And mind you, we already have a "moustache" that's not a character customisation option but an equippable "headpiece". So it's not really as insane to expect a wig, in my opinion.

As for the effort thing - just stop with that already. And I mean everyone, everywhere, in general. I understand that doing any work on the game takes effort (and time and money, yes) - but that is their job. That is what they get paid for - from our pockets. And I don't mean to even imply that they don't work hard enough or any such; but really, that "takes effort" thing as a reasoning/excuse is really getting offensive tbh. Towards us. See the points I've already made above.

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

It will not be possible to dye Minfilia's outfit; however, it will be possible to change the color of the hairstyle.

This time around we’re adding Minfilia for female characters, but don’t worry – we’ll be adding Scion outfits for male characters in the future!

/disappointed

But oh well. Can you perhaps send word to the team that designs gear to consider open front/open side long skirts? Those would not only look great with armor (a la Dark Knights and/or Foestriker's Tabards), but it's a nice style overall

[FallenArisen0990]

Oh idk, SE has been keeping their word about glamours items in cash shop. No RPG that I know of, ever allowed you to wear NPC unique hair and/or clothing without a price. As for male glamours, I got nothing because females will always outnumber males in terms of stuff. This is just an unwritten law with JP games. Do I think males should get "Male only" stuff? Hell yeah. Make me jealous that they got something I would have loved to wear instead of making everything unisex. Even tho I don't play a male character, it annoys me when they go out their way to make something that should be male only, unisex. Almost half the gear looks pretty silly on females when they try to add a little "bump" around the chest area of the body piece.

So I'm still waiting for SE to make me jealous with male only gear. If they ever do, they better not chicken out and make it unisex or I would rage..