So its 0-2 in the male female glamour department, yay?

[raymon]

They got a lot of scions to choose from for the males. Thancred, Papalymo, Urianger, and Alphinaud

but all of them (except for alphinaud) are not unique , the others being outfits that are already in the game with a few minor changes.

[enthauptet]

Then we run into the problem that there are more female scions than male scions ( and not counting the 3 leaders either ). I still do want the unisex twins outfit and book though, I like their book a lot. Maybe they should make Garlean armours available for male characters lol. Garleans tend to like male leaders more so far.

[Morningstar1337]

Is Cid considered a Scion? Because I want his clothes and hairstyle.

According to his card...nope

[AxelStorm]

It will not be possible to dye Minfilia's outfit; however, it will be possible to change the color of the hairstyle.

This time around we’re adding Minfilia for female characters, but don’t worry – we’ll be adding Scion outfits for male characters in the future!

So it won't even be dyeable? You sirs just lost a sale.

[Welsper59]

but all of them (except for alphinaud) are not unique , the others being outfits that are already in the game with a few minor changes.

Isn't that the case for the female ones too? Can't really recall any female Scion with anything that isn't just minor changes, with Minfilia being the exception, just as Alphinaud is. Although, truth be, ignoring the scions bit, his outfit would probably be unisex due to his sister wearing the exact same thing. Not to mention that there are female cosplayers that the dev team have first-hand knowledge of having an interest in (whether they play a female character or not is up in the air though).

So it won't even be dyeable? You sirs just lost a sale.

This is honestly a valid outlook lol. It's odd for it to not be dyable, even if it were just the pink fabric areas, all things considered. I wasn't going to get it, but can definitely understand how it loses value because of the lack of a dye option.

[raymon]

Isn't that the case for the female ones too? Can't really recall any female Scion with anything that isn't just minor changes, with Minfilia being the exception, just as Alphinaud is. Although, truth be, ignoring the scions bit, his outfit would probably be unisex due to his sister wearing the exact same thing. Not to mention that there are female cosplayers that the dev team have first-hand knowledge of having an interest in (whether they play a female character or not is up in the air though).

which is why i think they should give us a Cid Garlond set for the males.

[Welsper59]

which is why i think they should give us a Cid Garlond set for the males.

That'd be really good IMO. That'd also mean a request for Yugiri for female, but I'd think that'd qualify as unisex. I'm still hoping for Gaius and the tribuni to be available somehow as glamour, even if they were each male/female exclusive. Even the officers would be kinda cool. We already have access to the grunts, after all.

[Niqote]

I'm a little disappointed that of everything that's been brought up in 20+ pages, the rep decided to respond to someone asking that the Minfilia outfit be made dyeable. Maybe I should be happy for any response at all, but I honestly wouldn't be surprised if they stuck to the letter of what's being said here and not the spirit of it. I half expect any male Scion outfits we get to be unisex at this point.

If by some miracle they aren't, 50k gil says we get at least one female character crying about it.

I don't understand why people get so worked up about male and female items considering there is only a handful of them, the bulk is unisex (As it should be, if the bulk wasn't unisex then we would certainly seem to have a design issue).
More items are constantly being added, everyone is constantly being given more and more and more.

Why isn't that enough? I understand the love for glamours, I really do. It's one of the things I derive the most pleasure from in an MMO. But having an agenda for the sake of an agenda, rather then asking for something that you personally want (example: May we please have X haircut for X race) seems like... you are purposely letting yourself be insulted.

It would be glorious if every single person could be happy, but in reality... everyone can not get what they want. Of course you can share an opinion on it! (I think the Kirin wings look terrible and I hoped for feathered wings/something more mythically traditional but I guess that's just too bad ne?)

But complaining rather then politely asking/petitioning is just creating a thread of negativity that might be viewed less favourably by developers then you would want it to. And I am not singling out the person quoted, I am just responding in general.

The fact that it isn't dyable is a disappointment, since it is a cash shop item it should have such a feature considering its exclusive nature; that goes the same for any cash shop item that has never been available in game.

[Ashkendor]

I don't understand why people get so worked up about male and female items considering there is only a handful of them, the bulk is unisex (As it should be, if the bulk wasn't unisex then we would certainly seem to have a design issue).
More items are constantly being added, everyone is constantly being given more and more and more.

There's 16 or 17 female-exclusive items that don't have male-exclusive counterparts. That's what people are worked up about.

Why isn't that enough? I understand the love for glamours, I really do. It's one of the things I derive the most pleasure from in an MMO. But having an agenda for the sake of an agenda, rather then asking for something that you personally want (example: May we please have X haircut for X race) seems like... you are purposely letting yourself be insulted.

Pretty sure we've been asking for more male-exclusive glamours for awhile now. There was even a response at one point that said that they'd heard us and they'd be making more male-exclusive items in the future. And yet, female + unisex is what we keep getting.

It would be glorious if every single person could be happy, but in reality... everyone can not get what they want. Of course you can share an opinion on it! (I think the Kirin wings look terrible and I hoped for feathered wings/something more mythically traditional but I guess that's just too bad ne?)

I was actually hoping for no wings, but don't much care either way.

But complaining rather then politely asking/petitioning is just creating a thread of negativity that might be viewed less favourably by developers then you would want it to. And I am not singling out the person quoted, I am just responding in general.

We can only ask politely and get ignored so many times before people start getting upset with the situation.

The fact that it isn't dyable is a disappointment, since it is a cash shop item it should have such a feature considering its exclusive nature; that goes the same for any cash shop item that has never been available in game.

I just thought that it was funny that in a twenty-page thread addressing the disparity between male and female glamour options... someone with a minor complaint about yet another female-exclusive glamour item garnered a response from a representative.

[Serilda]

I don't understand why people get so worked up about male and female items considering there is only a handful of them, the bulk is unisex (As it should be, if the bulk wasn't unisex then we would certainly seem to have a design issue).
More items are constantly being added, everyone is constantly being given more and more and more.

Why isn't that enough? I understand the love for glamours, I really do. It's one of the things I derive the most pleasure from in an MMO. But having an agenda for the sake of an agenda, rather then asking for something that you personally want (example: May we please have X haircut for X race) seems like... you are purposely letting yourself be insulted.

While I understand what you're trying to say about trying to keep the tone positive, may I respond to a few points which I feel are rather unfair? It's true that we're getting more and more. But it's also true that as someone with a female character you are getting more and more and more. We could just sit back and be happy for you or we could tell the truth, which is that we're unhappy at being treated like a lower class of subscriber whenever the designers give players with female characters extra goodies for no apparent reason (as people have said before, we'd actually be happier if they just came out and admitted that treating female characters better is deliberate).

Several people on the forums have been politely asking for fair treatment for the best part of this year. We had one response in April (as did the Japanese side) and since then there has been nothing until now, when a few of us have tried sustaining our complaints instead of letting the threads die out without any sign of change.

I don't mind if people view me as paranoid but I'm seeing a pretty clear pattern here when the gap is increasing and in only one direction.

Pre-Patch 2.2: Everyone had the same number of potential equippables
Patch 2.2 (26th March 2014): Female characters gained 4 extra equippables
Patch 2.4 (28th October 2014): The number rose to 7
Patch 2.51 (24th February 2015): The number rose to 11
Patch 3.0 (19th June 2015): The number rose to 16
Patch 3.1 (10th November 2015 - as yet unreleased): From the previews alone it looks as though it's rising to at least 25

Those are the numbers. I'm very, very unhappy with the pattern I'm seeing. I'm also unhappy that on top of apparently having to persuade Square-Enix that we're worthy of fair treatment, we have to collectively defend ourselves from a loud minority of regular posters on the forums themselves. If we seem grumpy at this point it's because every single thread of this type ends up attracting people who bash us for a whole spectrum of bizarre reasons (including questioning our real life sexual identities, of all things) while even politely-worded and reasonable-sounding objections casually dismiss the points that people have been tirelessly making for months. I honestly think a lot of people give up not because they don't want fair treatment, but because they get sick of all of the negative reactions to what is, ultimately, a completely reasonable request for people to make. Fortunately for me I'm a jerk with very thick skin.

As many people have said over the course of the discussion, the entire point of the complaint is that we do want those glamour items. It's not a matter of principle alone; they're good items (some of the most popular in the game, in fact, according to the last census) and the majority are accessories which have no logical reason for being gender locked to begin with. The Gold Saucer bunny ears have had the longest and most persistent campaign as it's downright ridiculous that they have been gender locked all this time and people want them for specific outfit ideas, and another campaign had multiple artists putting enormous amounts of time and energy into campaigning for fairness with the Thavnairian sets - which was ignored.

So if it's ok with you, I'm going to keep firmly campaigning until the keys on my keyboard wear out.