Bard - they broke my job

[Warlyx]

Well, its an option... but I don't think it would be as good that way.

You would need to give the ability to both Bards and Machinists, for the sake of balance. And as you're always going to have either a Bard or Machinist, this would render one of the Dragoons selling points largely useless!

On the other hand, you aren't always going to have a Paladin, but they might become a little more desirable for groups that happen to have no Dragoon.

all the dps can debuff their own dmg weapon type but bard (now mch too) is a bit unfair dont u think? , for the sake of balance i give Warden Paean for it , where i sign?

even PLD having piercing debuff wont make it desirable enough in the current meta.... p giving it a bottle of water when is starving is nice, but doesnt fix the issue at hand.

[RiceisNice]

all the dps can debuff their own dmg weapon type but bard (now mch too) is a bit unfair dont u think? , for the sake of balance i give Warden Paean for it , where i sign?

even PLD having piercing debuff wont make it desirable enough in the current meta.... p giving it a bottle of water when is starving is nice, but doesnt fix the issue at hand.

Actually, water is much more valuable than food in that scenario, not even joking since you can go for up to a week without food, compared to water you're not making it past 48 hours.

DRG as a standalone job is incredibly powerful as it is, the piercing debuff practically guarantees their spot (since you have to have a bRd or MCH for progression) in the meta. If it's not exclusive to them (and I don't mean take it away, because that means their overall dps takes a nose dive), it would somewhat increase the feasibility of ninja too (trick attack versus battle lianity)

[Hontaro]

all the dps can debuff their own dmg weapon type but bard (now mch too) is a bit unfair dont u think?

Excuse me, the casters want to have a word with you.

[Aiselia]

all the dps can debuff their own dmg weapon type

BLM and SMN can't. They rely on Foe's or Hypercharge.

So in other words, all of the ranged DPS rely on someone else to boost their damage.

That being said, those damage debuffs that melee can cause are factored into their balance. They're not bonuses that increase 100% of your DPS to 110% of your DPS. They're a part of each class' 100% DPS.

A MNK that isn't using Dragon Kick is not doing 100% of their damage. A DRG that isn't using Disembowel is doing a significantly lower amount of damage (because they're also not using Chaos Thrust in that case).

So basically, if you get a piercing debuff, then expect to also get a lower base damage to compensate for it because the other classes are balanced around their own kit, not balanced disregarding it.

It's the same thing with Heavy Thrust, Fists of Fire, and NIN venoms. You are 100% expected to have those up all the time to do 100% of your damage. If they didn't give those buffs and debuffs, they'd just rebalance them so that they don't need the buffs but still do the same amount.

BRD/MCH, on the other hand, have it better by being balanced around not having the piercing debuff, which means having a DRG actually IS a bonus to them.