What are the differences between the Echo and having Hydaelyn's Blessing? [Spoilers?]

[Kallera]

My current take on it. The echo allows you to see into the past events of others, you also cannot be tempered/drowed/will destroyed by a primal because of it(this call into question bahamut's orbs, as the debuff is described as his spritual will overpowering you). A powerful and dangerous trait that not everyone appreciates. The echo buff can be explained as you working of the experience of memories, but its more likely a game trait, as an alternate universe explanation would be...gruesome...

The blessing allows you to resist supernatural influences, magical abilities such as the ones used by ascians. I think this also explained how Garuda lost her crystal to you after she failed to temper you. In lore As you collect more crystals, your own physical abilities also increase, allowing you to solo certain feats done by a party in game. Unlike the echo, which kicks in or is used conciously, the blessing is always active when a crystal of light is in your possession, and gains in strentgh as more are attained.

The blessing makes us powerful, but not invincible. Our strength can be exhausted much like any other being given enough punishment. In addition, as Middie demonstrates, there are ways around the blessing, and I'm pretty sure the WOD/Derplander will introduce another. He needs an edge to make him more than the average lout.

I have my own reservations about the translation, but its at least not in this subject.

[Tenkuu]

Im pretty much sure the strenght is ours. Middy confirms that at the end of 3.0 or at least thats what I think I have seen.

I didn't disagree that it's our strength, I said "boost". Just like if we didn't have the Echo, we could still fight whatever other giant monster popped up, but we would be as vulnerable as the other Scions and everyone else are to tempering.

[Frederick22]

I didn't disagree that it's our strength, I said "boost". Just like if we didn't have the Echo, we could still fight whatever other giant monster popped up, but we would be as vulnerable as the other Scions and everyone else are to tempering.

Is hard to say if the blessing of light acts like just a defence power against darkness or that it does much more than that based on what we have seen.
The first blessing we recieve I would say it acted more like a shield, it could be that this new version of the blessing we gain at the end of 3.0 its even stronger than the last one and could be that acts like a boost like you said, increasing not just our defece but own powers as well.

[Tenkuu]

My current take on it. The echo allows you to see into the past events of others, you also cannot be tempered/drowed/will destroyed by a primal because of it(this call into question bahamut's orbs, as the debuff is described as his spritual will overpowering you). A powerful and dangerous trait that not everyone appreciates. The echo buff can be explained as you working of the experience of memories, but its more likely a game trait, as an alternate universe explanation would be...gruesome...

The blessing allows you to resist supernatural influences, magical abilities such as the ones used by ascians. I think this also explained how Garuda lost her crystal to you after she failed to temper you. In lore As you collect more crystals, your own physical abilities also increase, allowing you to solo certain feats done by a party in game. Unlike the echo, which kicks in or is used conciously, the blessing is always active when a crystal of light is in your possession, and gains in strentgh as more are attained.

The blessing makes us powerful, but not invincible. Our strength can be exhausted much like any other being given enough punishment. In addition, as Middie demonstrates, there are ways around the blessing, and I'm pretty sure the WOD/Derplander will introduce another. He needs an edge to make him more than the average lout.

I have my own reservations about the translation, but its at least not in this subject.

Like I was saying, I think that both the Echo and Blessing of Light are aspects of Hydaelyn, but I think only those with the Blessing are Hydaelyn's Chosen. Even so, I don't think the Blessing of Light has anything to do with anything other than what's Ascian/Void related, which makes sense since Dark is the direct opposite of Hydaelyn's Light. As for the Warrior of Darkness, I've heard he will have his own history and motivations that differ from ours, so that would make him a well rounded character. Also, I think willpower is one of those things that can boost anyone's strength and which, in addition to the Blessing of Light, makes our character stronger.

[Frederick22]

I've heard he will have his own history and motivations that differ from ours, so that would make him a well rounded character.

May I ask where have you hear this? o.o The only thing I heared about it was just vague rummons that maybe the WoD used to be a WoL.
Honestly I thought that no info of the WoD was given yet

[Belhi]

The blessing has manifested defensively and offensively. It was the blessing that allowed us to survive Ultima as well as Midgardsormr's final attack and it warded our home from Ascian access. However it also was what we used to make Ultima vulnerable to our attacks at the end of 2.0 (Ultima takes almost no damage before the blessing manifests as a wave of light) and it is what powered our attack that drove Lahabra out of Thancred the first time.

May I ask where have you hear this? o.o The only thing I heared about it was just vague rummons that maybe the WoD used to be a WoL.
Honestly I thought that no info of the WoD was given yet

There was a question somewhere about if Derplander was in our version of Eorzea or an alternate Eorzea and they suggested he and his team were a group of adventurers who had their own adventures and travelled their own path but were in our world. Also at the end of HW Elidibus says 'its time for you and yours to join the fray'. That suggests he has allies who will be turning up to.

So the WoD and his allies could literally be Derplander and his group from the cutscenes.

[Rannie]

I have to wonder, did Minfilia gain her Echo in that crypt? Going by the Tales from the Calamity, she seemed to gain the Blessing of Light a few years after that.

Going by how the echo is always linked with that meteor shower and it happened that day (the real meteor shower that even Thancred saw) in the crypt, I would have to say most likely so, though it could have been more at the moment when you had triggered the echo within the echo and caused it to awaken in her thus causing the meteor shower >.<

[Frederick22]

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I knew this already. It was mistake then about that he will have his own story. To correct its that " he has his own history and motivations that differ from ours " not that he will

[Anonymoose]

To narrow the field of debate a bit, I'd like to clear up the Minfilia-Echo thing.

Using The Walkers' Path (Tale from the Calamity) and the information from Patch 2.1, the Echoes in question took place in 1562 (the incident with the goobbue, the death of Niellefresne). At the time, Thancred was 17, Minfiilia was 12. Thancred meets Minfilia for her 18th nameday, whereby they speak of her awakening to the Echo one year earlier.

18 - 12 = 6
1562 + 6 = 1568
1568 - 1 = 1567

Unless some pretty tumultuous errors have been made, she woke to the Echo long after the "public" starshower, though one would assume she still saw a vision of it upon awakening, as did we.

[Rannie]

To narrow the field of debate a bit, I'd like to clear up the Minfilia-Echo thing.

Using The Walkers' Path (Tale from the Calamity) and the information from Patch 2.1, the Echoes in question took place in 1562 (the incident with the goobbue, the death of Niellefresne). At the time, Thancred was 17, Minfiilia was 12. Thancred meets Minfilia for her 18th nameday, whereby they speak of her awakening to the Echo one year earlier.

18 - 12 = 6
1562 + 6 = 1568
1568 - 1 = 1567

Unless some pretty tumultuous errors have been made, she woke to the Echo long after the "public" starshower, though one would assume she still saw a vision of it upon awakening, as did we.

ah thanks for that i tend not to read those much just read that one yeah...