/p Blood Price used, WHMs do not use Holy for 15 seconds <se.1>

[Imoen]

I don't know why you are addressing me, you clearly didn't read what I wrote either.

It is simple, very simple. If it is not then I can't help you. My wife plays whm all the time, I have played whm, it IS incredibly simple. Not ideal, ill give you that, but making it out to be like its like yanking teeth out is just ridiculous.

And since you were addressing me, I will state, yes I have played all those jobs and had tank run out of the AOEs like sacred soil, shadow flare etc... but you also have to keep in mind that some people play with effects off... (not me I play with them on) and if they play with effects off, then they don't see your circle.

I give up, seems hopeless, I went through explained things, in a nice manner might I add. I even explained situations this can happen etc... and how precise timing can screw a DRK, did you read that? Your mind seems set.

I'm not going to stay here and argue against stubborn ignorance, you clearly just want to be "right" which there is no "right" here and it seems like you want to argue. Which I don't understand why, I thought the conversation was going ok. I actually had no idea you were talking to me because the conversation was going well, maybe I just interpreted what you were saying and it's intention wrong? I have no idea. You stated multiple times it is hard to just stop holy, which it isn't, you just stop pressing the button.

In short if a party member is having a rough job, no matter what job you are currently playing, if you can assist with not making it harder for them, you should do so. In my opinion if you don't you are just being a prick, it doesn't matter which job.

If that means giving helpful advice, fine. If that means adapting your play style, fine. If that means dropping out of the run because you really can't stand it, that is fine too. Whichever you chose don't stick your fingers in your ears and be like "lalalalalalala" lol

Do you guys go NOOOoOoOoOoOoOo as well if a Scholar provides you with a crit Adlo after your Blood Price has been activated?

I'm not really sure what you are asking here.

Also screw those bees man, screw bees in general. lol

With that... Have a safe journey, I don't want to get frustrated more over trying to explain things, and I don't want to take it out on people. (Which is probably already seeping out and not intended.)

This only seems relevant if you're pulling with no MP.

Which you shouldn't be.

Othewise you're saying "Don't do dps for 15 seconds". There's no situation I can think of other than being OOM or 2 GCDs from OOM where this is a valid statement, and if you're oom, you're probably doing it wrong.

Yes, situational, which is what I said too.... but no one seems to be sinking that into their heads. Instead they just want to talk about herp da derp deeps and how they want to play with complete disregard to others skill levels etc... Not once did I ever say "ALL WHMS STOP HOLYING ALL THE TIME WHEN BP IS UP" not once, I even took it a step further after seeing some confusion, saying basically "if the situation calls for it" to clarify.

EXAMPLE OF A BAD SITUATION: Run in pull > Start BP> Start AOE MP drain > Healer runs in stuns right after the drain rendering BP worthless > DPS out gear you start to pull hate > drain more MP trying to hold hate > mobs die so no MP combo or BP return > group runs off starts attacking more things > drop darkside because you need the MP > party repeats proccess no BP no damage boost from darkside requires more MP drain > party keeps running to next mob etc...

I'm only responding to you with the example above because I assume you did not read the rest of the posts. Everyone responding to me is assuming level 60 runs... which I have said multiple times wasn't the case. Honestly I was just making conversation last night when I was bored with the server down.




Someone else said it best, it isn't about which is better, who is right or wrong, it is about looking at the situation displayed in front of you and making a decision and being a good team member in general, clearly people want to be the a-holes instead or so it seems to me.

Instead they want to wave their hands around in a nonsensical fashion, like crap flying on the screen in a transformer movie, like they are pulling some sort of jedi mind trick crap or something, making bold assumptions that no one else knows how to play their job at all, or that they are gods gift to WHM button pressing and no one else could possibly understand how it works or the hardships involved. (Not directed at anyone specific just the general vibe I am getting.)

All of which has absolutely 0 to do with what I am personally talking about. /facepalm

[Kabooa]

This only seems relevant if you're pulling with no MP.

Which you shouldn't be.

Othewise you're saying "Don't do dps for 15 seconds". There's no situation I can think of other than being OOM or 2 GCDs from OOM where this is a valid statement, and if you're oom, you're probably doing it wrong.

[DreamWeaver]

It honestly depends on the pull, if you're a maniac like me who pulls 4 bees + tree + the remaining dudes in neverreap, or all 3 packs right after the 1st boss in Fractals, I would say it does feel like yanking teeth out.

Anyway I'm out, hopefully I will never come across such a weird request from DRKs during my time in the game.

Parting Question : Do you guys go NOOOoOoOoOoOoOo as well if a Scholar provides you with a crit Adlo after your Blood Price has been activated?

[Syzygian]

Parting Question : Do you guys go NOOOoOoOoOoOoOo as well if a Scholar provides you with a crit Adlo after your Blood Price has been activated?

OP close this thread. The ignorance level is reaching critical mass.

[NekoGenesis]

What in the world is happening in here? How could something so simple get conflated into this shitstorm.

Blood price works by DRKs getting hit. DRKs don't get hit if all the mobs are stunned. This makes it hard for us to spam either Unleash or Abyssal Drain as both of these AoE skills consumes a lot of mana.

Yes WHM Holy is greater than both Abyssal Drain and Unleash in raw potency, but I think what most DRKs are asking for is that, if you see Blood Price pop up on our status bar to please not use Holy during its duration. You can use anything else in your arsenal (and there's WHMs in here thinking that DRKs want them to stop DPSing for 15s altogether, I'm not sure if they're trolling, or if the only damage spell they legitimately put in their skill bar is Holy cos screw Stone III, Assize and Aero am I right?)

That being said being considerate also goes both ways. As a DRK I don't use Blood Price at the start of every pull (cos you'd be sitting on full mana and the massive MP regen you get from Blood Price would be wasted anyway). I pop it after I go down to about half my mana pool (about 4 GCDs in). If I see that the WHM has started Holy spamming during the beginning of the pull (which is usually when most DPSing WHMs start their Holy spam), I'll wait till the WHM finishes and then pop Blood Price after.

I expect the same courtesy be reciprocated if you see DRKs pop Blood Price. If you see Blood Price on and go ahead with Holy spamming even when you observe that the DRK is getting low on mana and/or is struggling to keep aggro from the DPS then you're being a major dick to them. We don't need Holy to clear bloody Expert Roulette (where this conversation is even relevant) - you can chuck your keyboard down the stairs and still clear Expert Roulette in reasonable time. But you do need the DRK to be able to hold aggro on large pulls and not be MP starved half the time otherwise the run gets messier than it should.

Surprisingly, most of my Healer friends are WHM and they have no problem with the system we have currently of me looking out to see if they have Holy spam prepped at the start of the wave and if they don't, holding Holy off until my Blood Price is close to dropping off. I personally fail to see what the problem is unless the DRK is popping Blood Price at the beginning of every pull (therefore not allowing the WHM to even get a chance of casting Holy) or if the WHM sees/doesn't see Blood Price and spams Holy and wastes half of Blood Price's duration.

[Imoen]

snip

LOL because I clearly suck at expressing myself, that and I edit a bunch like a dumb dumb so people catch my responses earlier than intended.

I don't know what it is, it is just so much easier to see what I wrote when it is actually posted than in this damned edit box. (could be the white value just bugs me.)

I have a natural hostile tone because I am usually blunt and open with exactly what I am thinking, then double back to edit and clean it up as I meant it to be said. Anyway I digress.

[OPneedNerfs]

If people stopped pulling like they were in i160 when they are i190, they wouldn't have MP issues. And if you really were i160, the WHM wouldn't be Holy-ing since your health would be taking nosedives every hit.

Also, since nobody has stated this, with diminishing returns, any decent WHM will only be able to holy 3-4 times before the mobs get stun resist. The max amount of time they actually get stunned for is a WHOPPING 7 seconds. Ho.Lee.Schit.

What was Blood Price's duration again? Oh right, 15 seconds. Saying Blood Price will become "useless" if WHM uses Holy goes to show a fundamental lack of understanding not just for WHM, but for the very job you're playing.

In the first few pages someone even argued that they have to DA + Abyssal even when the WHM is Holy-ing is hilarious. If you stopped for a second to think, Holy = Mobs stunned = not taking dmg for 7s. Wasting DA + AD when you're not taking dmg? If that's not an example of bad play... Well...

There is literally no reason why you would ever run out of MP in thrash pulls unless you're:
A) Undergeared so you're doing small pulls.
B) Brainlessly using DA + AD when your health is full.

In either case, any decent WHM will lay off their Holy spam because they know the DRK is undergeared or screwed up.

For the record, I've never had any MP issues even if I popped Blood Price and a WHM goes on to Holy while I still maintain a huge threat lead. L2P I guess?

[Imoen]

snip

Round and round and round we go. Yes this has all been brought up already and responded to, I don't blame you for not reading the whole thing though.

[Imoen]

Can we get this Locked or Removed please there is no good coming out of this thread and it is going in circles.

[Aomine1992]

Lol well this thread has turned for the worse...for the record I haven't run into this issue on my DRK or WHM...

Ummm and also holy is a little rough on MP it's like spamming medica 2 lol a couple is fine but spamming ehh idk but I wouldn't know as I never see this everrrr lol